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In reply to the discussion: Quotes from the Greatest Progressive to Ever Live. [View all]Chathamization
(1,638 posts)50. And we're back to throwing around falsehoods about Greenwald it seems
This is simply an assertion by a person whose credibility and judgement are open to serious question.
Well, I hope this isn't just another baseless accusation. I'm sure you can provide examples of when Greenwald said someone spoke in favor of something and they hadn't?
I did not bother to comment much on his rantings when Bush was in office
Yes, not many of the people trashing him now did, which is rather revealing. Especially since, again, he wasn't attacked for these comments when he made them, but rather years later - after he disavowed at least some of them and said his beliefs at this time were uninformed and often incorrect.
Mr. Greenwald's target is government, though he veils this somewhat in the posture that he is attacking only corrupt and corrupting people in government. Since in his eyes virtually everyone who actually wields any power in government is corrupt or corrupting, lawless, a liar, a tyrant, in embryo if not yet in full flower, the effect is the same.
Yes, Greenwald just hates everyone in the government:
Just everyone:
I mean everyone:
Really, everyone:
You'll understand it if some of use have grown tired of the "I'll state a falsehood about Greenwald, you spend time collecting evidence showing it's wrong, I'll dismiss that and state another falsehood" game.
Well, I hope this isn't just another baseless accusation. I'm sure you can provide examples of when Greenwald said someone spoke in favor of something and they hadn't?
I did not bother to comment much on his rantings when Bush was in office
Yes, not many of the people trashing him now did, which is rather revealing. Especially since, again, he wasn't attacked for these comments when he made them, but rather years later - after he disavowed at least some of them and said his beliefs at this time were uninformed and often incorrect.
Mr. Greenwald's target is government, though he veils this somewhat in the posture that he is attacking only corrupt and corrupting people in government. Since in his eyes virtually everyone who actually wields any power in government is corrupt or corrupting, lawless, a liar, a tyrant, in embryo if not yet in full flower, the effect is the same.
Yes, Greenwald just hates everyone in the government:
And I say that despite my belief that as critical as Ive been of the Obama presidency regarding civil liberties and Terrorism foreign affairs is actually one area where hes shown genuine potential for some constructive change and has, on occasion, merited real praise for taking steps in the general peace direction which this Prize is meant to honor.
Just everyone:
During his 18 years in the U.S. Senate, Russ Feingold was easily one of the most interesting, intelligent, and independent elected officials. He frequently deviated from and vocally criticized his Partys orthodoxy, and was by far the most stalwart voice among Senate Democrats in combatting the influence of corporate money in politics and defending civil liberties, especially in the post-9/11 era. His courageous sole vote against the Patriot Act in the weeks after 9/11 underlined by a vigorous speech on the Senate floor in October, 2001, warning of the loss of commitment in the Congress and the country to traditional civil liberties evinced all of those attributes. Those are the attributes that led me to advocate for his 2010 re-election and for readers here, in response, to donate over $50,000 in one day to his campaign.
I mean everyone:
I've long been an admirer of Holt for reasons going way beyond his unusually firm defense of civil liberties and opposition to secrecy. He's one of the few members of Congress who understands the evils of crony capitalism and its corrosive effect on Congress
Really, everyone:
But more important, Grayson has managed to have more positive impact on more substantive matters than any House freshman in a long time (indeed, he makes more of a positive impact than the vast majority of members of Congress generally).
You'll understand it if some of use have grown tired of the "I'll state a falsehood about Greenwald, you spend time collecting evidence showing it's wrong, I'll dismiss that and state another falsehood" game.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone call him "The greatest progressive ever to live."
Scootaloo
Oct 2014
#4
I'm a Greenwald fan but I have never seen anyone call him the Greatest Progressive to Ever Live
Autumn
Oct 2014
#5
I believe these to be Greenwald's quotes, but given your history, you need to provide a link.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2014
#6
Yes, It has been obvious to all non-Greenwald Fanboys what he was about from the beginning, sir
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#15
Partially, yes. Orwell's full notes on nationalism where he describes negative nationalism
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#28
Thanks very much, I will search out all on that link to define this better for myself.
freshwest
Oct 2014
#29
Not just wrong, it would mean Dean was furthering “the great project of the modern right” and
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#37
That Would Be The Effect, Sir, Viewed Coldly, If Any Action Were Taken On The Proposition
The Magistrate
Oct 2014
#38
Right, so Dean’s exempt from the “right-wing libertarian” label because he isn’t anti-war.
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#42
Of course Greenwald's endorsement of multiple Democrats and praise of Obama doesn't matter to you
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#54
I've debunked all of that before. Here and now we have a chance to see what Greenwald and Snowden
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#31
You've debunked exactly nothing, and neither has been caught in a lie
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2014
#32
I have multiple times. And now we have an opportunity to see more of what they are about.
stevenleser
Oct 2014
#33
Telling that all the quotes are from ’05, since Greenwald has since said were uninformed and wrong
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#36
Like Some Others, Sir, He Seemed To Think That A Step Towards Making Single-Payer Viable Politically
The Magistrate
Oct 2014
#47
I'd say the onus is on the person digging up the 9 year old comment to: 1. Not truncate it in an
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#49
Do you have ANY evidence that "He mis-characterized Gov. Dean, in an attempt to make his own views
Chathamization
Oct 2014
#56
There Is No Evidence, Sir, For Describing Gov. Dean As A 'Fervent Proponent Of State's Rights'
The Magistrate
Oct 2014
#57