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MADem

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37. I remember those days pretty well. They were crapped on, and then they weren't.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:43 PM
Oct 2014

It was a very bifurcated attitude.

There were people who thought that if you were drafted, you should go. Suck it up, you dad did it, we've never lost a war, blah, blah blah. Anything else is traitorous.

There were "draft DODGERS." Some just burned their draft cards, some just tucked the thing in their wallet and ... disappeared. Moved from place to place, no fixed address for too long. Can't find me, can't call me to get a physical...that was the attitude.

Some went over the border to Canada, fewer went to little pockets in Europe or elsewhere. Some were driven by their mothers to Canada!

There was a "baby killer" theme that took hold briefly--the Calley trial didn't help that.

The VVAW and the very articulate John Kerry's testimony helped to turn the tide, and started the process of more people understanding the whole "Good guys, bad war" big picture. As more service personnel came home, the more they populated the relentless demonstrations, large and small, that could be found on streets and college campuses most weekends.

Then, of course, Hollywood weighed in, with everything from the dramatization of Born on the 4th of July to Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now. Those cemented images of vets that weren't necessarily appropriate for all or even most vets.

Some people still like to hew to the image of the wild eyed, hair trigger, Will Go Nutzo if You Look At Him The Wrong Way, Rambo caricature/stereotype when talking about vets with SE Asian experience. It's a convenient cartoon. While anyone is fully expected to be traumatized when encountering violence, that doesn't mean they'll manifest behavior straight out of (bad) central casting.

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DU Rec In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #1
Yea oldandhappy Oct 2014 #2
Thanks for that post. As a Vietnam vet I am lucky upaloopa Oct 2014 #3
Thank you for your service. n/t eggplant Oct 2014 #4
Thank you so much for your post. Both of my parents were WWII veterans and Dad served in Korea. japple Oct 2014 #5
Thank you, democrank. nt sarge43 Oct 2014 #6
My father died of Agent Orange exposure. nolabear Oct 2014 #7
And on it goes.... and on... and on.... Bigmack Oct 2014 #8
A friend died of exposure to agent orange. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #9
A Vietnam Vet I know is recording a CD of songs based on his experiences Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #10
It's something of an urban legend that vets were 'shit on' when they got back. Certainly, they KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #19
They absolutely were shit on when they came back whopis01 Oct 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #28
Got you. Agree 100% that government treated vets mighty shabbily KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #29
I didn't mean literally. But they were taunted and called baby killers Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #30
Really? Would your friend or you be receptive to academic studies that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #31
IT HAPPENED TO HIM!!! Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #32
I remember those days pretty well. They were crapped on, and then they weren't. MADem Oct 2014 #37
Pentagon Papers leaker and now fervent antiwar activist Daniel Ellsberg says KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #38
I wish we'd stop putting shit on the mall, myself. MADem Oct 2014 #39
In war, peace and when they're injured ffr Oct 2014 #11
Oh dear, I have something in my eye... cry baby Oct 2014 #12
Thank you. For those of us at home, the battle ends. For many brave souls ... CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #13
Incredibly moving, democrank Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2014 #14
VA takes really takes good care of me. marble falls Oct 2014 #15
I support the vets (I'm one myself, though I went through nothing like some have). ladyVet Oct 2014 #16
Seems to me the best thing we can do for our veterans is not to make more of them. calimary Oct 2014 #17
Thank you, Democrank. You make the world a better place. mountain grammy Oct 2014 #18
I love that part of Vermont. elleng Oct 2014 #20
I worked for many years on we lawyers called the "Dust Docket," which was usually made up Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #21
Love and Peace to you and your companion pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #22
Thank hou for being there for those vets. No Vested Interest Oct 2014 #23
Thank you for this post, demorank. My husband is a disabled Vietnam veteran. Silver Gaia Oct 2014 #24
K&R n/t intaglio Oct 2014 #26
Never was in VN, but our friend's brother was, and died from Agent Orange DFW Oct 2014 #27
I am a military brat demigoddess Oct 2014 #33
kicking…. dhill926 Oct 2014 #34
Thank you for your post. Our Serviceman suffer during and after wars. The physical and mental glinda Oct 2014 #35
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #36
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