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LostInAnomie

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106. I swear, it's like trying to prove a negative.

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 06:39 AM

Nov 2014

All the evidence points to him robbing the place. All the witnesses. All the testimony. All the video. All of Brown's reactions. None of it points to him having paid. No witnesses. No testimony. No receipt. Nothing. But, it doesn't matter because you have decided you will not be convinced.

The clerk would have absolutely no insight into anything once Brown left the store. None.

Are you seriously denying that Brown shoved the guy?

Watch again: http://i.imgur.com/f5yGFH4.webm

Did you not see him get flung into the chip rack? It's like you can't even acknowledge things that can be visually confirmed.

"they usually make a quick get away"

Pretty hard to do if the store owner is blocking your path. I wonder how someone would get around in that situation.

Oh yeah, like this: http://i.imgur.com/f5yGFH4.webm

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Why is everyone ignoring the shop owner who Mike Brown allegedly "robbed"? [View all] PsychGrad Nov 2014 OP

It is no longer shop lifting once assault/battery is committed. Socal31 Nov 2014 #1

Except.... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #2

I've never seen the owner's version of what happened. gvstn Nov 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Nov 2014 #13

. XemaSab Nov 2014 #14

Exactly. lovemydog Nov 2014 #15

Correct me if I am wrong joeglow3 Nov 2014 #17

They found out later PsychGrad Nov 2014 #46

What happened was not reported to the police. kickysnana Nov 2014 #63

Didn't police audio show police looking for suspects BEFORE the encounter? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #177

makes sense. also makes sense that the shop owner would be very quiet right now. robinlynne Nov 2014 #186

But PsychGrad Nov 2014 #44

Well we know it was phil89 Nov 2014 #5

Ah yes, the audacity of certainty. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #31

It didn't work... Oktober Nov 2014 #52

I don't know that it's him? PsychGrad Nov 2014 #56

it sure looks like the two of them in the video. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #173

Once you call 911, you have no control of the situation. Socal31 Nov 2014 #6

Shop owner did not call. Shop owner made them wouldn't give them the videos. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #153

What 911 call? aquart Nov 2014 #154

If that's how you feel, why the OP? elias49 Nov 2014 #32

from what I see...the shopkeeper put HIS hands on Brown first....he was being shoved aside VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #33

That kid deserved to be behind bars for the next twenty years TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #185

Notice no one called him a thug or demonic.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #231

Well, if he's physical and beats someone up, TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #240

No if he were Black...whether he has a record or been convicted of anything ever... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author PsychGrad Dec 2014 #242

It was mike Brown. Dorian admitted it was him Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #34

A customer PsychGrad Nov 2014 #47

Yes... Yes it is... Oktober Nov 2014 #51

I'm saying... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #207

So you're admitting Wilson's a murderer? BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #232

No, because he has gone through a process of legal review... Oktober Dec 2014 #235

Did you even read the posted information? csziggy Nov 2014 #3

+1000 noiretextatique Nov 2014 #36

Exactly. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #49

No, the owner "never said" TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #187

The store owner said that early along csziggy Nov 2014 #199

The shop owner disagrees with you. He never bothered to call the police himself. It was such a minor sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #179

Because it has nothing to do with his murder. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #7

The Chief of Police said Wilson had no way of knowing about the store. Rex Nov 2014 #8

I guess they think if they say it enough, it will become true. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #9

For some here this is only a game they play from their mom's basement. Rex Nov 2014 #190

What about the video? That 840high Nov 2014 #10

Scared of the police AND scared of the comminity, best tell the truth eh? kickysnana Nov 2014 #22

Except for all the radio communication describing Brown... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #25

So "Put me on Canfield with 2. And send me another car" means robbery suspects spotted? BootinUp Nov 2014 #29

Geez, he just must have amazing luck then that the robbers the cops were looking for... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #61

Middle of the street deist99 Nov 2014 #155

You are now mis-stating the contents of the transcript of KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #30

That's some serious straw grasping you are doing. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #59

Good grief, Wilson's own supervisor testified that Wilson didn't know about the Live and Learn Nov 2014 #112

The people that deny verifiable evidence. Those are the people that are grasping. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #116

And you know that how? Do you think they knew that immediately and Live and Learn Nov 2014 #118

Jesus fucking Christ. I guess Wilson just got lucky that the person he decided to murder... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #122

And you still call it a robbery even without evidence? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #126

Some here don't really care what the truth is, they just want to waste others time. Rex Nov 2014 #191

Some people when presented with actual evidence can't handle it... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #202

It is only "unprovable" to someone that is in complete denial about all the evidence. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #201

I often PsychGrad Nov 2014 #226

Do you often shove store owners out of the way as they try to prevent you from leaving? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #227

You remind me of the medieval Scholastics who could endlessly debate how KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #170

You are the one making that assertion. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #203

Here is the problem with that scenario, Live and Learn Nov 2014 #67

This! PsychGrad Nov 2014 #69

There is sworn testimony from Johnson that Brown robbed the place though. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #90

Is Dorian Johnson a truthful witness? IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #152

I believe him. He seemed honest azmom Nov 2014 #166

The copologists want to pick and choose which parts of Johnson's KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #171

Johnson comes across as an honest and azmom Nov 2014 #183

He's telling the truth. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #208

The store owner didn't call in the robbery. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #77

And nobody has claimed he didn't pay. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #79

Apparently, Dorrian Johnson claims he didn't. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #82

Dorrian has told several versions of the incident. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #84

So, basically there is no actual evidence that he paid for the cigarillos. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #87

Well, I don't know. Did anyone even look for that evidence? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #89

Why would the clerk testify? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #92

Sure it would. It would show his demeanor shortly before. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #95

I swear, it's like trying to prove a negative. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #106

Shoved? I don't call shoving assault. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #108

If by "hogwash", you mean actually documented and verifiable... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #110

Nope, by hogwash I meant your assertion that any of what you stated was documented Live and Learn Nov 2014 #117

So, shoving isn't assault. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #121

Is that really what you are reduced to arguing? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #127

If you are going to deny basic definitions of assault... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #200

Nothing short of a video confession from Brown, Johnson, the shop owner... Oktober Nov 2014 #91

No kidding. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #93

I got good advice from another DUer Oktober Nov 2014 #94

Glad I could help and that it is working out for you. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #96

You seem confused... Oktober Nov 2014 #99

Now, what would you know of that? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #102

Yep, we are all crazy and only those that believe as you know the truth. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #97

No one is saying that... Oktober Nov 2014 #98

Dang, I thought you had learned from the advice I provided earlier. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #101

Oh, we are... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #210

Seriously. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #209

So the clerk said you didn't pay for those cigars then Brown was doc03 Nov 2014 #132

When did you hear the clerk say that? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #134

Now obviously he didn't say thanks for shopping here and Mike Brown said doc03 Nov 2014 #137

It wasn't even the same clerk that Brown spoke to originally. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #138

So two clerks confronted him on the shoplifting doc03 Nov 2014 #139

Nope, he spoke to a cashier Live and Learn Nov 2014 #140

If there was a misunderstanding of some kind he should have doc03 Nov 2014 #143

You deny anything happened in the store. So why did Brown assult and attempt to take doc03 Nov 2014 #141

So you choose to believe Wilson? Do you also believe that Brown looked demonic? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #145

He didn't. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #211

So instead of Wilson's or the witnesses description of it I should doc03 Nov 2014 #215

Wilson said he did not stop them over the cigarillo incident pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #219

READ the transcript of Darian Johnson's testimony TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #188

LOL. Like you are interested in facts! Rex Nov 2014 #189

Dorian Johnson confessed XemaSab Nov 2014 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Nov 2014 #20

How many theories are floating around? XemaSab Nov 2014 #23

Good question. Too bad Mike Brown can't tell us. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #83

So why did Mike Brown assult somebody in the video? Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #35

Yet the person in the video didn't report any assault. R B Garr Nov 2014 #41

+1 And maybe Dorian doesn't even know if Mike Brown paid for them or what happened. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #71

Brown handed cigarillos over to Johnson TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #193

Because reality is hard to deal with in this situation boomer55 Nov 2014 #21

or realize that more people believe blacks are a threat than our reality initially thought... uponit7771 Nov 2014 #58

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #72

in st. louis 90%.....NINETY PERCENT.... of murders were black and about 90 % of those were killed boomer55 Nov 2014 #176

If you think the poor black community in Ferguson BootinUp Nov 2014 #178

More racists meme, similar numbers for white... why extract black on black numbers? tia uponit7771 Nov 2014 #205

Exactly. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author XemaSab Nov 2014 #229

Nooooooo. Read the fricken article. boomer55 Nov 2014 #213

Seriously how the eff is this racist??? boomer55 Nov 2014 #214

Google is your friend. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #220

90 percent of the homicides in St. Louis are black boomer55 Nov 2014 #221

St. Louis is 49 % black yet 90 percent of the homicides are black boomer55 Nov 2014 #222

And, PsychGrad Nov 2014 #223

2010 and steadily rising... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #224

doesn't matter. Wilson's boss testified Wilson was not told about the robbery. librechik Nov 2014 #175

It has no relevance to the mindset of Darren Wilson who murdered Mike Brown. Kalidurga Nov 2014 #12

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #73

More from the article eridani Nov 2014 #16

. XemaSab Nov 2014 #18

And the prevailing theories* then were that police leaked that tape R B Garr Nov 2014 #42

Johnson testified that upon azmom Nov 2014 #163

Because they didn't get out of the middle of the street. nt BootinUp Nov 2014 #164

Johnson testified that Wilson said, azmom Nov 2014 #165

So either johnson omitted something BootinUp Nov 2014 #167

I saw an interview where Johnson said he azmom Nov 2014 #168

I just read that Wilson testified azmom Nov 2014 #198

The altercation started immediately because of Wilson's inability R B Garr Nov 2014 #180

I really think that Wilson meant to azmom Nov 2014 #181

Are you a black man? PsychGrad Nov 2014 #216

Uh huh... Oktober Dec 2014 #236

Because it has nothing to do with what happened in the street between Mike Brown and Darren Wilson. Iggo Nov 2014 #19

Yes it does boomer55 Nov 2014 #24

Aw. Iggo Nov 2014 #26

Wow, your comment really helps move the conversation forward in KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #28

No, it really doesn't. nt justiceischeap Nov 2014 #114

If he thought he was phil89 Nov 2014 #184

the Cops used the Store Owner to try to justify Wilson's Killing of Brown JI7 Nov 2014 #27

Trumped up after the fact in order to justify the shooting. 6000eliot Nov 2014 #37

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #128

what the hell do they know? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #38

the only thing that is clear is that none of us can know what happened cali Nov 2014 #39

i believe the store owners noiretextatique Nov 2014 #40

We tend to believe what fits our perspective cali Nov 2014 #50

Robbery doesn't require a weapon. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #43

Except none of the elements of second-degree assault look present. R B Garr Nov 2014 #60

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #81

Sorry, third degree, not second degree, BUT: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #85

That is a big "if" there. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #104

The law calls it assault. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #105

It takes a jury to convict and I didn't see it as even much of a threat. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #107

Yes we do, see post 11 (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #109

That has already been answered. Dorrian has changed his story several times Live and Learn Nov 2014 #111

He testified under oath that Brown *stole* the cigarillos. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #115

Maybe to you but anyone that knows police tactics and plea bargaining Live and Learn Nov 2014 #120

Okay... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #123

Okay, now that we have established that you have no interest in actually discussing Live and Learn Nov 2014 #125

There's not really any point in discussing the issue... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #129

I thought we had agreed on there being no point to discussing the Live and Learn Nov 2014 #131

Video and sworn testimony are definitely not "lack of evidence". Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #133

Sworn testimony that no attorney had access to question? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #135

Apparently you don't know what a deposition is either. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #142

Apparently, you don't care what the truth is. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #146

The shop owner... tonedevil Nov 2014 #192

*Someone* clearly did since a call went out over the police radio. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #196

I have heard... tonedevil Nov 2014 #197

this kind of denial Enrique Nov 2014 #45

I know it doesn't change anything PsychGrad Nov 2014 #53

it WOULDN'T matter to those people because the only thing that matters to them is that it's a Black JI7 Nov 2014 #64

You're probably right PsychGrad Nov 2014 #65

No one is using it to defend his killing TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #194

Lots of people PsychGrad Nov 2014 #217

The store certainly wasn't robbed. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #78

Robbery = theft by force or intimidation. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #119

Really, you could convict someone based on a video tape without any audio even. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #124

So are you going to defend Wilson so staunchly? elias7 Nov 2014 #148

Nope, Wilson after having months to concoct a story came up with demons. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #149

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #48

Well PsychGrad Nov 2014 #54

It's just amazing that folks are exerting so much.... Oktober Nov 2014 #55

Wtf are you on about? PsychGrad Nov 2014 #57

What I am 'on' about... Oktober Nov 2014 #62

I read Dorian Johnson's testimony. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #66

That's the point... Oktober Nov 2014 #68

Omg. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #70

It sometimes helps to read other posts by a poster to see if Live and Learn Nov 2014 #76

It's not that I place myself ahead of the curve... Oktober Nov 2014 #80

Really, what are you going on about? All the OP did was post a news story Live and Learn Nov 2014 #75

Thank you! PsychGrad Nov 2014 #86

No thanks needed. You are perfectly correct to question Live and Learn Nov 2014 #88

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #74

Why are some people ignoring this? chervilant Nov 2014 #100

Precisely. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #103

Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #113

Wow, it took you this long to come up with that? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #130

It seems kind of a waste of time to argue facts here doesn't it? n/t doc03 Nov 2014 #136

If so, why do you continue to do so? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #151

I agree some people have their version of reality and nothing doc03 Nov 2014 #206

The store clerk had no right to try to block Michael's exit SaltyBro Nov 2014 #144

Which was it? Store clerk or shop owner? aquart Nov 2014 #158

people caught stealinf from stores can be detained Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #162

Bullshit. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #218

shoplifters Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #230

Well PsychGrad Nov 2014 #233

then it becomes Niceguy1 Dec 2014 #234

Pray tell PsychGrad Dec 2014 #237

And - PsychGrad Dec 2014 #238

from ghe same article--- I recommend you read it all Niceguy1 Dec 2014 #239

because it's expected that shops will be robbed. ileus Nov 2014 #147

Or a shoplifting? Or a nothing? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #150

Uh, no. aquart Nov 2014 #156

Only a trusting few have ignored it. If Michael Brown deserved to die, IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #157

So basically a petty theft libodem Nov 2014 #159

The problem is LynnTTT Nov 2014 #160

There is something a little weird about the store saying it wasn't Brown BootinUp Nov 2014 #161

they will count it as robbery if any force is used treestar Nov 2014 #169

The clerk didn't call the cops because mwrguy Nov 2014 #172

That kind of threat is typically used by some gangs BootinUp Nov 2014 #174

cause thats they way life Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #195

Oh, good grief! Read Darian Johnson's testimony TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #182

Nobody is ignoring the shop owner... wundermaus Nov 2014 #204

Um - PsychGrad Nov 2014 #225

The media spins a wicked weave... wundermaus Dec 2014 #243

Because its just a pack of cigarillos bhikkhu Nov 2014 #228