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PsychGrad

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225. Um -

Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:13 PM

Nov 2014

You're preaching to the fucking choir. That COULD be MY kid in that pool of blood. I still want to know what happened at the shop bc I'm tired of hearing people suggest it insinuates that Michael Brown was a "thug" and deserved what he got. Don't tell me how to prioritize MY child's life. My kid is BROWN. For all purposes, out there, he is "black". So, I will worry about whatever I choose to worry about - and if this ever happens to my child, and I know it could at the rate of 10x more than my nieces and nephews who are white - you can bet I won't want people wrongly assuming that my child deserved to die bc he was a criminal - especially if he wasn't a criminal. I know and you know that doesn't warrant death - but THEY don't know it.

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Why is everyone ignoring the shop owner who Mike Brown allegedly "robbed"? [View all] PsychGrad Nov 2014 OP

It is no longer shop lifting once assault/battery is committed. Socal31 Nov 2014 #1

Except.... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #2

I've never seen the owner's version of what happened. gvstn Nov 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Nov 2014 #13

. XemaSab Nov 2014 #14

Exactly. lovemydog Nov 2014 #15

Correct me if I am wrong joeglow3 Nov 2014 #17

They found out later PsychGrad Nov 2014 #46

What happened was not reported to the police. kickysnana Nov 2014 #63

Didn't police audio show police looking for suspects BEFORE the encounter? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #177

makes sense. also makes sense that the shop owner would be very quiet right now. robinlynne Nov 2014 #186

But PsychGrad Nov 2014 #44

Well we know it was phil89 Nov 2014 #5

Ah yes, the audacity of certainty. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #31

It didn't work... Oktober Nov 2014 #52

I don't know that it's him? PsychGrad Nov 2014 #56

it sure looks like the two of them in the video. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #173

Once you call 911, you have no control of the situation. Socal31 Nov 2014 #6

Shop owner did not call. Shop owner made them wouldn't give them the videos. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #153

What 911 call? aquart Nov 2014 #154

If that's how you feel, why the OP? elias49 Nov 2014 #32

from what I see...the shopkeeper put HIS hands on Brown first....he was being shoved aside VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #33

That kid deserved to be behind bars for the next twenty years TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #185

Notice no one called him a thug or demonic.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #231

Well, if he's physical and beats someone up, TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #240

No if he were Black...whether he has a record or been convicted of anything ever... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author PsychGrad Dec 2014 #242

It was mike Brown. Dorian admitted it was him Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #34

A customer PsychGrad Nov 2014 #47

Yes... Yes it is... Oktober Nov 2014 #51

I'm saying... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #207

So you're admitting Wilson's a murderer? BklnDem75 Nov 2014 #232

No, because he has gone through a process of legal review... Oktober Dec 2014 #235

Did you even read the posted information? csziggy Nov 2014 #3

+1000 noiretextatique Nov 2014 #36

Exactly. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #49

No, the owner "never said" TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #187

The store owner said that early along csziggy Nov 2014 #199

The shop owner disagrees with you. He never bothered to call the police himself. It was such a minor sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #179

Because it has nothing to do with his murder. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #7

The Chief of Police said Wilson had no way of knowing about the store. Rex Nov 2014 #8

I guess they think if they say it enough, it will become true. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2014 #9

For some here this is only a game they play from their mom's basement. Rex Nov 2014 #190

What about the video? That 840high Nov 2014 #10

Scared of the police AND scared of the comminity, best tell the truth eh? kickysnana Nov 2014 #22

Except for all the radio communication describing Brown... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #25

So "Put me on Canfield with 2. And send me another car" means robbery suspects spotted? BootinUp Nov 2014 #29

Geez, he just must have amazing luck then that the robbers the cops were looking for... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #61

Middle of the street deist99 Nov 2014 #155

You are now mis-stating the contents of the transcript of KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #30

That's some serious straw grasping you are doing. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #59

Good grief, Wilson's own supervisor testified that Wilson didn't know about the Live and Learn Nov 2014 #112

The people that deny verifiable evidence. Those are the people that are grasping. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #116

And you know that how? Do you think they knew that immediately and Live and Learn Nov 2014 #118

Jesus fucking Christ. I guess Wilson just got lucky that the person he decided to murder... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #122

And you still call it a robbery even without evidence? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #126

Some here don't really care what the truth is, they just want to waste others time. Rex Nov 2014 #191

Some people when presented with actual evidence can't handle it... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #202

It is only "unprovable" to someone that is in complete denial about all the evidence. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #201

I often PsychGrad Nov 2014 #226

Do you often shove store owners out of the way as they try to prevent you from leaving? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #227

You remind me of the medieval Scholastics who could endlessly debate how KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #170

You are the one making that assertion. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #203

Here is the problem with that scenario, Live and Learn Nov 2014 #67

This! PsychGrad Nov 2014 #69

There is sworn testimony from Johnson that Brown robbed the place though. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #90

Is Dorian Johnson a truthful witness? IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #152

I believe him. He seemed honest azmom Nov 2014 #166

The copologists want to pick and choose which parts of Johnson's KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #171

Johnson comes across as an honest and azmom Nov 2014 #183

He's telling the truth. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #208

The store owner didn't call in the robbery. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #77

And nobody has claimed he didn't pay. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #79

Apparently, Dorrian Johnson claims he didn't. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #82

Dorrian has told several versions of the incident. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #84

So, basically there is no actual evidence that he paid for the cigarillos. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #87

Well, I don't know. Did anyone even look for that evidence? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #89

Why would the clerk testify? LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #92

Sure it would. It would show his demeanor shortly before. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #95

I swear, it's like trying to prove a negative. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #106

Shoved? I don't call shoving assault. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #108

If by "hogwash", you mean actually documented and verifiable... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #110

Nope, by hogwash I meant your assertion that any of what you stated was documented Live and Learn Nov 2014 #117

So, shoving isn't assault. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #121

Is that really what you are reduced to arguing? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #127

If you are going to deny basic definitions of assault... LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #200

Nothing short of a video confession from Brown, Johnson, the shop owner... Oktober Nov 2014 #91

No kidding. LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #93

I got good advice from another DUer Oktober Nov 2014 #94

Glad I could help and that it is working out for you. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #96

You seem confused... Oktober Nov 2014 #99

Now, what would you know of that? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #102

Yep, we are all crazy and only those that believe as you know the truth. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #97

No one is saying that... Oktober Nov 2014 #98

Dang, I thought you had learned from the advice I provided earlier. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #101

Oh, we are... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #210

Seriously. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #209

So the clerk said you didn't pay for those cigars then Brown was doc03 Nov 2014 #132

When did you hear the clerk say that? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #134

Now obviously he didn't say thanks for shopping here and Mike Brown said doc03 Nov 2014 #137

It wasn't even the same clerk that Brown spoke to originally. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #138

So two clerks confronted him on the shoplifting doc03 Nov 2014 #139

Nope, he spoke to a cashier Live and Learn Nov 2014 #140

If there was a misunderstanding of some kind he should have doc03 Nov 2014 #143

You deny anything happened in the store. So why did Brown assult and attempt to take doc03 Nov 2014 #141

So you choose to believe Wilson? Do you also believe that Brown looked demonic? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #145

He didn't. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #211

So instead of Wilson's or the witnesses description of it I should doc03 Nov 2014 #215

Wilson said he did not stop them over the cigarillo incident pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #219

READ the transcript of Darian Johnson's testimony TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #188

LOL. Like you are interested in facts! Rex Nov 2014 #189

Dorian Johnson confessed XemaSab Nov 2014 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Nov 2014 #20

How many theories are floating around? XemaSab Nov 2014 #23

Good question. Too bad Mike Brown can't tell us. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #83

So why did Mike Brown assult somebody in the video? Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #35

Yet the person in the video didn't report any assault. R B Garr Nov 2014 #41

+1 And maybe Dorian doesn't even know if Mike Brown paid for them or what happened. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #71

Brown handed cigarillos over to Johnson TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #193

Because reality is hard to deal with in this situation boomer55 Nov 2014 #21

or realize that more people believe blacks are a threat than our reality initially thought... uponit7771 Nov 2014 #58

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #72

in st. louis 90%.....NINETY PERCENT.... of murders were black and about 90 % of those were killed boomer55 Nov 2014 #176

If you think the poor black community in Ferguson BootinUp Nov 2014 #178

More racists meme, similar numbers for white... why extract black on black numbers? tia uponit7771 Nov 2014 #205

Exactly. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author XemaSab Nov 2014 #229

Nooooooo. Read the fricken article. boomer55 Nov 2014 #213

Seriously how the eff is this racist??? boomer55 Nov 2014 #214

Google is your friend. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #220

90 percent of the homicides in St. Louis are black boomer55 Nov 2014 #221

St. Louis is 49 % black yet 90 percent of the homicides are black boomer55 Nov 2014 #222

And, PsychGrad Nov 2014 #223

2010 and steadily rising... PsychGrad Nov 2014 #224

doesn't matter. Wilson's boss testified Wilson was not told about the robbery. librechik Nov 2014 #175

It has no relevance to the mindset of Darren Wilson who murdered Mike Brown. Kalidurga Nov 2014 #12

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #73

More from the article eridani Nov 2014 #16

. XemaSab Nov 2014 #18

And the prevailing theories* then were that police leaked that tape R B Garr Nov 2014 #42

Johnson testified that upon azmom Nov 2014 #163

Because they didn't get out of the middle of the street. nt BootinUp Nov 2014 #164

Johnson testified that Wilson said, azmom Nov 2014 #165

So either johnson omitted something BootinUp Nov 2014 #167

I saw an interview where Johnson said he azmom Nov 2014 #168

I just read that Wilson testified azmom Nov 2014 #198

The altercation started immediately because of Wilson's inability R B Garr Nov 2014 #180

I really think that Wilson meant to azmom Nov 2014 #181

Are you a black man? PsychGrad Nov 2014 #216

Uh huh... Oktober Dec 2014 #236

Because it has nothing to do with what happened in the street between Mike Brown and Darren Wilson. Iggo Nov 2014 #19

Yes it does boomer55 Nov 2014 #24

Aw. Iggo Nov 2014 #26

Wow, your comment really helps move the conversation forward in KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #28

No, it really doesn't. nt justiceischeap Nov 2014 #114

If he thought he was phil89 Nov 2014 #184

the Cops used the Store Owner to try to justify Wilson's Killing of Brown JI7 Nov 2014 #27

Trumped up after the fact in order to justify the shooting. 6000eliot Nov 2014 #37

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #128

what the hell do they know? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #38

the only thing that is clear is that none of us can know what happened cali Nov 2014 #39

i believe the store owners noiretextatique Nov 2014 #40

We tend to believe what fits our perspective cali Nov 2014 #50

Robbery doesn't require a weapon. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #43

Except none of the elements of second-degree assault look present. R B Garr Nov 2014 #60

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #81

Sorry, third degree, not second degree, BUT: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #85

That is a big "if" there. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #104

The law calls it assault. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #105

It takes a jury to convict and I didn't see it as even much of a threat. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #107

Yes we do, see post 11 (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #109

That has already been answered. Dorrian has changed his story several times Live and Learn Nov 2014 #111

He testified under oath that Brown *stole* the cigarillos. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #115

Maybe to you but anyone that knows police tactics and plea bargaining Live and Learn Nov 2014 #120

Okay... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #123

Okay, now that we have established that you have no interest in actually discussing Live and Learn Nov 2014 #125

There's not really any point in discussing the issue... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #129

I thought we had agreed on there being no point to discussing the Live and Learn Nov 2014 #131

Video and sworn testimony are definitely not "lack of evidence". Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #133

Sworn testimony that no attorney had access to question? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #135

Apparently you don't know what a deposition is either. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #142

Apparently, you don't care what the truth is. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #146

The shop owner... tonedevil Nov 2014 #192

*Someone* clearly did since a call went out over the police radio. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #196

I have heard... tonedevil Nov 2014 #197

this kind of denial Enrique Nov 2014 #45

I know it doesn't change anything PsychGrad Nov 2014 #53

it WOULDN'T matter to those people because the only thing that matters to them is that it's a Black JI7 Nov 2014 #64

You're probably right PsychGrad Nov 2014 #65

No one is using it to defend his killing TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #194

Lots of people PsychGrad Nov 2014 #217

The store certainly wasn't robbed. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #78

Robbery = theft by force or intimidation. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2014 #119

Really, you could convict someone based on a video tape without any audio even. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #124

So are you going to defend Wilson so staunchly? elias7 Nov 2014 #148

Nope, Wilson after having months to concoct a story came up with demons. Live and Learn Nov 2014 #149

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #48

Well PsychGrad Nov 2014 #54

It's just amazing that folks are exerting so much.... Oktober Nov 2014 #55

Wtf are you on about? PsychGrad Nov 2014 #57

What I am 'on' about... Oktober Nov 2014 #62

I read Dorian Johnson's testimony. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #66

That's the point... Oktober Nov 2014 #68

Omg. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #70

It sometimes helps to read other posts by a poster to see if Live and Learn Nov 2014 #76

It's not that I place myself ahead of the curve... Oktober Nov 2014 #80

Really, what are you going on about? All the OP did was post a news story Live and Learn Nov 2014 #75

Thank you! PsychGrad Nov 2014 #86

No thanks needed. You are perfectly correct to question Live and Learn Nov 2014 #88

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #74

Why are some people ignoring this? chervilant Nov 2014 #100

Precisely. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #103

Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video LostInAnomie Nov 2014 #113

Wow, it took you this long to come up with that? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #130

It seems kind of a waste of time to argue facts here doesn't it? n/t doc03 Nov 2014 #136

If so, why do you continue to do so? nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #151

I agree some people have their version of reality and nothing doc03 Nov 2014 #206

The store clerk had no right to try to block Michael's exit SaltyBro Nov 2014 #144

Which was it? Store clerk or shop owner? aquart Nov 2014 #158

people caught stealinf from stores can be detained Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #162

Bullshit. PsychGrad Nov 2014 #218

shoplifters Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #230

Well PsychGrad Nov 2014 #233

then it becomes Niceguy1 Dec 2014 #234

Pray tell PsychGrad Dec 2014 #237

And - PsychGrad Dec 2014 #238

from ghe same article--- I recommend you read it all Niceguy1 Dec 2014 #239

because it's expected that shops will be robbed. ileus Nov 2014 #147

Or a shoplifting? Or a nothing? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #150

Uh, no. aquart Nov 2014 #156

Only a trusting few have ignored it. If Michael Brown deserved to die, IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #157

So basically a petty theft libodem Nov 2014 #159

The problem is LynnTTT Nov 2014 #160

There is something a little weird about the store saying it wasn't Brown BootinUp Nov 2014 #161

they will count it as robbery if any force is used treestar Nov 2014 #169

The clerk didn't call the cops because mwrguy Nov 2014 #172

That kind of threat is typically used by some gangs BootinUp Nov 2014 #174

cause thats they way life Niceguy1 Nov 2014 #195

Oh, good grief! Read Darian Johnson's testimony TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2014 #182

Nobody is ignoring the shop owner... wundermaus Nov 2014 #204

Um - PsychGrad Nov 2014 #225

The media spins a wicked weave... wundermaus Dec 2014 #243

Because its just a pack of cigarillos bhikkhu Nov 2014 #228