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Ms. Toad

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115. My point was about your assumption that

Wed Dec 3, 2014, 04:32 PM

Dec 2014

you would gain protein by processing grains through an animal. You don't. It is nearly always more efficient to consume the protein directly than to process it through an animal. The exception is when the animal can graze land that can't produce food for humans - in which case even an inefficient processing plant (the cow) feeds more people than not using the land at all for human food.

As for re-education, that is a different question. But I doubt that people suddenly becoming vegetarian would be any more prone to malnutrition than they are now - given the really poor dietary habits of most of us.

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I Ate Turkey on Thanksgiving and It Was DELICIOUS! [View all] titaniumsalute Dec 2014 OP

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Haha. n/t JimDandy Dec 2014 #54

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why -some- liberals tend to ignore this. :-) RiverLover Dec 2014 #8

You are right. Some get it. Beaverhausen Dec 2014 #12

Free Range AndyTiedye Dec 2014 #13

But many can't afford that or don't have access Beaverhausen Dec 2014 #14

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I get free range eggs. RiverLover Dec 2014 #20

Push for truth-in-labelling laws Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #30

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buy them at the farm and you'll know belcffub Dec 2014 #112

As big as it would take to feed them veggies? Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #11

Read this Beaverhausen Dec 2014 #16

Doesn't answer the question Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #18

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Thank you, that answer the question Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #36

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Yes, I am Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #39

If you have land that is suitable cropland, Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #111

It's also concentration. You still have to eat a bushel of beans to get the proteins jtuck004 Dec 2014 #113

My point was about your assumption that Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #115

Depends on the animal. Brickbat Dec 2014 #19

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Good man! Me too! elias49 Dec 2014 #62

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BBQ works well also. We've done ours that way the last several years. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #47

I've done that too. A small one (11 - 13 lbs) is great on the spit with smoke. badtoworse Dec 2014 #90

I smoked a turkey and bought a Kentucky smoked ham, to boot... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #24

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Thanks for that enlightenment, Prophet... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #33

I'm always surprised about the lack of GMO labelling Prophet 451 Dec 2014 #45

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+ infinity CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #38

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"I Ate Turkey on Thanksgiving and It Was DELICIOUS!" Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #49

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