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pipi_k

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138. Yes, that it happened is one thing

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 03:46 PM

Jan 2015

HOW it happened is quite another.

Even if it involves something the Pats had nothing to do with, there will still be those who prefer to believe the worst.

I liken it to the Birther crowd, who, years later and after being shown multiple times that Obama is indeed a US citizen still believe there's a conspiracy afoot.

God himself could come out of the sky and announce that Obama is a US citizen and they wouldn't accept it.

Much the same with this issue. If the NFL proves that no Patriots player or staff altered those balls in any way, some haters will think they're in on some huge conspiracy

Let's not even consider the idiocy of thinking that a team with the weapons the Patriots have might be forced to cheat against a team that just happened to beat a badly injured Peyton Manning the week before. My grandma probably could have beaten Manning with the injury he had.

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Should the Patriots be made to forfeit Sunday's game? [View all] gopiscrap Jan 2015 OP

We don't know how long the Patriots have been doing this, right? petronius Jan 2015 #1

Let's expel Seattle from the NFL former9thward Jan 2015 #5

Good luck with that AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #29

It will happen at the same time former9thward Jan 2015 #55

Good luck with that AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #64

One of the former Seahawks who was suspended is now a Patriot. opiate69 Jan 2015 #90

Yes, Brandon Browner AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #113

He was one of my favorite seahawks as well. opiate69 Jan 2015 #115

In Seattle, he could have smoked all the super "bowls" he wanted n/t eridani Jan 2015 #185

No one has innocent hands in the NFL. former9thward Jan 2015 #152

Wait, didn't we already do that? No?!? petronius Jan 2015 #187

Did the NFL check the Colts' balls too? House of Roberts Jan 2015 #2

yes pintobean Jan 2015 #28

That's even funnier than the OP! zappaman Jan 2015 #65

I wanted to go with a pintobean Jan 2015 #110

DUzy! riqster Jan 2015 #140

It must be Super Bowl time sharp_stick Jan 2015 #3

appears the Super Bowl is hfojvt Jan 2015 #26

That was profound! AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #31

As is this... sharp_stick Jan 2015 #34

lol AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #37

I try to educate sharp_stick Jan 2015 #51

U mad bro? AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #61

Not really sharp_stick Feb 2015 #193

Mad enough... AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #194

Well that was just for kicks sharp_stick Feb 2015 #195

It won't 'disappear' AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #196

Don't worry sharp_stick Feb 2015 #197

Some people believe that cheating is wrong mythology Jan 2015 #78

Actually I prefer sharp_stick Jan 2015 #80

Yes, that it happened is one thing pipi_k Jan 2015 #138

Yeah, cause 11 out of 12 footballs are going to just lose 2 lbs of air... Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #177

Too much money involved. OffWithTheirHeads Jan 2015 #4

Couldn't possibly care any less. 99Forever Jan 2015 #6

Sports is really only relevant F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #95

I'm always amazed at how seriously people take this stuff (including members of my immediate family) Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #108

I feel the same way about magazine covers. nt. RiffRandell Jan 2015 #144

+ antiquie Jan 2015 #154

bingo! opiate69 Jan 2015 #188

If true, the Patriots cheated. Avalux Jan 2015 #7

As would the refs KamaAina Jan 2015 #14

We need to check Walt Coleman's bank account stat Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #19

Nice post, Alex Jones! KamaAina Jan 2015 #21

ESPN lies to us!!! Initech Jan 2015 #59

Well, they are based in Connecticut KamaAina Jan 2015 #66

True. Refs, and all of the players, handle enough footballs to know when they are soft or not. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #23

Yes but may not have noticed since they don't grip and squeeze it. Avalux Jan 2015 #30

Yes they do grip and squeeze it sharp_stick Jan 2015 #43

Thank you for explaining. Avalux Jan 2015 #45

So did Luck and his Center. The same balls are used by both teams. berni_mccoy Jan 2015 #79

Then why did ESPN say the only way they knew was when the ball was intercepted? Avalux Jan 2015 #84

Each team has it's own set of balls AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #89

Not exactly. Each team is allowed it's own set of balls, but only the home team is required hughee99 Jan 2015 #105

That is correct. You should also notice on all change of possessions, though joeglow3 Jan 2015 #124

The balls used for kicking plays are different. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #127

Irrelevent AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #88

I thought so too, but that is not true. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #160

Possible but not likely. former9thward Jan 2015 #168

The refs may not have "noticed it" because it's not uncommon... hughee99 Jan 2015 #103

Super Bowl liberal from boston Jan 2015 #48

They change balls frequently. jeff47 Jan 2015 #129

Each team has its own balls truebluegreen Jan 2015 #178

"If true, the Patriots cheated." Uh, no. MANative Jan 2015 #17

The balls they supplied the colts AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #35

I've not heard anything about that yet. Lots of questions about whether they even weighed... MANative Jan 2015 #44

They checked all the balls AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #53

Do you have a link to back that up? onenote Jan 2015 #148

Obviously it isn't an issue with the NFL AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #149

That's not the same as saying that the league checked the Colts' footballs when the checked the Pats onenote Jan 2015 #151

It is looking like only the Patriots balls were deflated AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #166

Yep. We should know more. onenote Jan 2015 #173

I was at the game and I can tell you Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #57

Irrelevent AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #67

Enjoy the haterade Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #68

Right, it's 'hate' AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #71

Sorry, jealousy Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #74

Weird AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #75

No Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #77

Wait, the plot thickens! AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #81

Yes the Colts had their balls deflated in that game too Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #82

Haha Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #85

Yeah, sure they did AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #167

Colts were home team 4Q2u2 Jan 2015 #161

So cheating is acceptable AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #175

Ever Hear of Suck for Luck 4Q2u2 Jan 2015 #190

I agree with you but it seems that many of the good liberals here think cheating doesn't matter adigal Jan 2015 #40

I totally agree! gopiscrap Jan 2015 #87

No, but huge fines and take away draft picks. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #8

That'll likely be the punishment FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #20

A fine and the loss of a draft pick after illegally spying didn't stop this mythology Jan 2015 #96

The Seahawks have one of the highest number of PED violations. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #104

How many have they had this season? opiate69 Jan 2015 #111

Absolutely not. PeteSelman Jan 2015 #9

Oh, come on. Orrex Jan 2015 #12

Well, That Quantifies It Perfectly ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #145

If it is just whining AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #42

Because that's what some writers desperately hope to happen Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #52

Ah, that explains it AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #54

My mistake Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #58

The Pats are the most succesfful franchise over the past decade or so...because? Threedifferentones Jan 2015 #93

Aww Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #94

Ya, uh huh. Threedifferentones Jan 2015 #98

This makes my red, white and blue blood boil Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #99

"Caught cheating (other than PEDs) ZERO TIMES". Fucking classic! 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #107

Ya, the leader of the Pats should have resigned after getting caught the first time. Threedifferentones Jan 2015 #112

Yes... other than offering bounties for knocking players out of games (Saints), hughee99 Jan 2015 #153

New Orleans Saints, for paying their players to intentionally injure opposing team players Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #164

I Agree, Given The Pats History, This Should Be Investigated... Corey_Baker08 Jan 2015 #179

This all day d_b Jan 2015 #159

The NCAA should vacate their 110 victories Orrex Jan 2015 #10

Given the team's history sarisataka Jan 2015 #11

The definitive word on the subject KamaAina Jan 2015 #13

He sure is rabid - an example of moral relativism adigal Jan 2015 #47

No, but belicheck should be suspended for the game. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #15

He should be flat out banned. Initech Jan 2015 #56

I can't disagree. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #60

That doesn't go far enough Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #16

At a minimum, the Pats should forfeit a whole lot of draft picks. Paladin Jan 2015 #18

Can someone explain this to me... JackRiddler Jan 2015 #22

nope 12 per side plus x amount for special teams rbrnmw Jan 2015 #36

What? JackRiddler Jan 2015 #38

He is saying dsc Jan 2015 #106

I believe the Colts brought their own balls as is custom since 2005(?) Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #114

all the accounts I have read stated that the home team supplies all the balls dsc Jan 2015 #117

nope each team supplies 12 offense balls for their team. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #162

Each team supplies their own balls for offensive play. Balls for kickoffs are... MANative Jan 2015 #39

The home team supplies all the balls AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #70

The digest of the rules you cite is not the official rulebook onenote Jan 2015 #150

No, each team provides 12 balls for their offense to use. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #50

Gee, it's funny shenmue Jan 2015 #24

Why don't the ref's or NFL supply the balls? FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #25

Indeed. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #102

That was my question too. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #119

I imagine it is an old policy and the NFL hates to change it to give the Refs even more power Johonny Jan 2015 #139

Absolutely not. At worst, they should be fined $275K and *possibly* lost a first round draft pick. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #27

The Ravens should play the Colts this weekend pintobean Jan 2015 #32

No we have no proof they did anything yet. Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #33

if you read the poll question correctly gopiscrap Jan 2015 #41

Oh oh if PROVEN .... Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #46

I vote no. nilesobek Jan 2015 #49

It's going to be a great game Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #63

Yeah it gives those shock jocks on ESPN radio something to talk about. nilesobek Jan 2015 #69

I'm thinking it's going to be a one score game Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #76

Lmao! RiffRandell Jan 2015 #142

I voted no benld74 Jan 2015 #62

It's too late to forfeit the game. dilby Jan 2015 #72

Those balls don't account for the Colts lousy performance with Pathwalker Jan 2015 #73

Couldn't have said it better Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #83

Actually they may. opiate69 Jan 2015 #86

The Colts had their own balls when they missed the field goals, Pathwalker Jan 2015 #91

Patriots still would have won, but that doesn't brendan120678 Jan 2015 #146

If proven true, they will be, according to NFL rules, Pathwalker Jan 2015 #156

"I Misinterpreted The Rules" The Great Escape Jan 2015 #92

Know as much about football as I know about golf and I don't even know which end you hold the caddy Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #97

The Scotts invented the game Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #101

The Scotts call themselves "Scots". nt truebluegreen Jan 2015 #180

No. That isn't a possible punishment and we have two "reports" underpants Jan 2015 #100

Does each side use only its own balls on offense? aint_no_life_nowhere Jan 2015 #109

Three sets of footbals: one set for Colts offense, one set for Patriots offense, one set for Kickers Iggo Jan 2015 #122

They should replay the game and the Patriots have to wear bread bags over their shoes! Sancho Jan 2015 #116

Thank you! That's the best answer yet!!! gopiscrap Jan 2015 #125

Pats are disgraced enough. no to forfeit. Denis 11 Jan 2015 #118

The refs should be banned from post season games for a season. aikoaiko Jan 2015 #120

Not until deflategate is proven to NOT be a false flag operation. Kaleva Jan 2015 #121

I don't like forfeit as a penalty jmowreader Jan 2015 #123

Yeah let's check every ball every game Nyc72dem Jan 2015 #126

Either that, or get away from this ironclad rule jmowreader Jan 2015 #141

Watch the owner say: gopiscrap Jan 2015 #128

I wonder why Rush Limbaugh hasn't said that already shenmue Jan 2015 #133

Not forfeit, but I suppose the league should... brendan120678 Jan 2015 #130

I agree Belicheck should be banned gopiscrap Jan 2015 #132

The only time they've banned is for gambling and... when someone got caught doing exactly what the Johonny Jan 2015 #136

Nah. hifiguy Jan 2015 #131

But it's still cheating if true gopiscrap Jan 2015 #135

Now you might see a rule change where the refs control game balls up to kick off... Johonny Jan 2015 #134

I do think this is a serious problem shenmue Jan 2015 #137

Replay the game in Iraq using a soccer ball. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #143

Pats haven't won a super bowl since spygate. LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #147

Whatasillyquestion! Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #155

At least their alleged crime isn't criminal, like a certain coach who paid his players to injure Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #157

who did that? gopiscrap Jan 2015 #171

"saints" 2012 Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #158

How though? Cancel the Superbowl? Reter Jan 2015 #163

Option 6: go out and see a movie on Sunday... brooklynite Jan 2015 #165

I don't really have an opinion Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #169

Too late. It's past. Let the game begin! cheapdate Jan 2015 #170

Yes. Has me thinking, how much in common does this have with the Black Sox. closeupready Jan 2015 #174

folks in indiana are pretty pissed spanone Jan 2015 #176

This has to stop machI Jan 2015 #181

Cheating is rewarded by our society abelenkpe Jan 2015 #182

I'm missing something. Doesn't the other team use the same balol? n/t eridani Jan 2015 #183

Definitely, unquestionably YES. liberalhistorian Jan 2015 #184

They should be allowed to only use deflated balls Generic Brad Jan 2015 #186

By the time I get to Arizona Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #189

Preposterous suggestion oberliner Jan 2015 #191

Whoever voted "yes" is crazy taught_me_patience Jan 2015 #192