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82. Name recognition really messes with the polls now though...

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 01:48 PM

Feb 2015

I'd bet if you took a similar poll measuring Obama against some Republican challengers when he was 20 point behind Hillary in the polls about this time in the campaign in 2008, you'd find a similar result versus Republicans then.

Just because Hillary is "more ahead" now, doesn't mean another Democratic challenger can't even be further ahead of the Republican after the nomination process firms up. The corporate media wants us to believe that Hillary is the only option, when the nomination race hasn't even had a chance to start yet.

I think Biden is more in a handicap by these polls than other challengers that America really hasn't had a chance to see in executive office yet. I would be concerned about Biden as nominee for his age, his position on bankruptcy bills as a senator, and that he doesn't have perhaps the draw of someone like Elizabeth Warren might for women voters.

I think once more Americans are aware of someone like Warren hitting hard on issues that the 99% care about, and the 1% DOESN'T want us to care about (thinks like Wall Street reform, etc.). Many Republicans and independents are just as concerned about the cozy relationship that banksters have with politicians (whether they be the Obama administration or other pols) that we do on the progressive side of the party. Someone like Warren, who's emphasized those issues over more divisive social issues, I think would draw a lot more from the middle than many realize, or would like her to be characterized as.

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Hillary Clinton Leads All Republican(t) challengers [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 OP

It's a MSM conspiracy to make her look good dammit! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #1

BOOM DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #3

But I thought she was a sure loser. thats what I learned on DU. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #12

It's either an extreme case of vanity or idiocy ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #16

Well said! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #19

I guess you missed the 2008 Democratic primaries. PedXing Feb 2015 #129

No I did not. i campaigned for her and welcome to DU. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #130

I think it awesome you campaigned for your candidate! PedXing Feb 2015 #135

Thanks and again welcome. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #137

I'm glad to be here, thanks. PedXing Feb 2015 #171

That was last time AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #189

This time she win. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #190

What does looking to be popular have to do with looking good? TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #25

It was a play on what others have said here. a joke. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #27

So nothing. Gotcha. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #163

While I am not a big fan of mainstream anything, I am very hopeful that If she is the nominee randys1 Feb 2015 #65

oh the conspiracy. misterhighwasted Feb 2015 #77

If Hillary runs she will get a lot of cross over votes. I know many Rs in my area who have already Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #2

This is true....but it also begs the question... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #22

Subconscious racism but I believe that group is small. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #28

oh Honey, around here it is Not even Subconscious. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #33

Where are you?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #54

sorry. This is the internet and I do not post outright where I am. you understand, I hope. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #64

Sure, np, /NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #71

Please, don't make me pull out that card. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #29

JEB is perceived as a "big government" insider by the Righties GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #44

I don't blame them, she will vote in their interests Reter Feb 2015 #57

I too know many repubs that say they will vote for her. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #107

Yeah, pretty much my thinking, too. I know a lot Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #159

Yeah, right AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #191

that is a pretty broad brush you are using there ... {MOST Republican women.} Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #194

Where were you during the 90s? AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #195

whatever. I almost hope she runs now just to prove you wrong. We could do a lot worse than her. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #196

I'll sell you half of Mars, REAL cheap! The side with the face and pyramids!!1! AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #197

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #198

Awe, shucks! AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #199

and this has CONSISTENTLY been her record.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #4

Question for you all.. android fan Feb 2015 #5

There is a pretty big electability difference on the Democratic side though. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #9

Interesting. android fan Feb 2015 #14

Yes And No DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #23

How about we don't need to use Generic....we KNOW that Hillary has consistently had this record... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #10

I'm a Sanders supporter android fan Feb 2015 #21

If you are not willing to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton should she win the Primary VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #24

If she does win the nomination.... android fan Feb 2015 #26

and a 50 point lead....and double digit leads over all Republicans.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #115

Pre-concived narrative you say? Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #108

Senator Sanders knows he does not have a rats chance in hell William769 Feb 2015 #32

I thought Sanders has already said he would NOT run as an I. Pretty sure I read it on here. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #35

I don't remember that. William769 Feb 2015 #37

Let me see if I can find the link/thread. Give me a minute. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #41

Cue Jeopardy theme... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #42

cute. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #48

I do recall what you are saying. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #51

It is still so early in the process that I really take a lot of this "posturing" Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #70

Here DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #52

yes, thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #55

I think this is where the thought came from. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #60

no problem - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #67

take your pick --- ~o^o~ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #53

Thanks. William769 Feb 2015 #62

you are most welcome Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #66

He said he wouldn't be a spoiler and should be taken at his word. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #50

Agreed. William769 Feb 2015 #58

I say let him cross over D and let Her cross over R and watch DU heads explode Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #61

Why would she do that? William769 Feb 2015 #68

she wouldn't, of course. but, in my mind, it is more a truthful reflection of their politics ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #72

Do you honestly think Sanders would get the nod from his colleagues for Labor Sec? Unless HRC..... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #150

You took it out of context. android fan Feb 2015 #192

No, no, no nichomachus Feb 2015 #84

It is just part of the selling of Hillary as the only one. zeemike Feb 2015 #143

Please allow me to disabuse you of the notion that Bernie could possibly "win the nomination". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #154

You honestly have no idea how early numbers mean nothing! nt Logical Feb 2015 #116

She can get more if she tracks right in her policy positions! RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #6

She doesn't have to move to the right...she already HAS the donors and support my friend.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #13

Ah, well, that makes it more interesting if she does track right as many candidates do post-primary. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #17

what makes you think she will track right? Her record sure doesn't show that... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #36

To me, she is quite conservative, particularly in regard to wealth aggregation. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #178

To you but you are wrong...You want Left critiques.....here you go... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #204

At this point? android fan Feb 2015 #30

Why is she "expecting" them to? They already are.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #38

Why did she just pay off the 2008 debt last year???? nt Logical Feb 2015 #117

Perhaps because she is running in 2016? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #118

She had trouble raising money, not a good sign! nt Logical Feb 2015 #122

I guess the assessment of some on DU regarding Hillary being a disaster is wrong still_one Feb 2015 #7

Looks like she would win the GOP primaries in a heartbeat! djean111 Feb 2015 #8

How did you make that inference?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #11

its just the sour grapes talking! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #15

Or hard drugs?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #18

AND or! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #43

Are you actually accusing me of being on drugs? New low for you people. djean111 Feb 2015 #76

It's just a phrase but I apologize to you if anybody took it literally./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #78

Oh, I don't want an apology - this is just a sterling example of why I feel djean111 Feb 2015 #81

You implied that Hillary is a Repug because she's beating a bunch of Repugs... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #85

A personal attack, accusing me of being on drugs, and then that djean111 Feb 2015 #91

Whatever DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #94

Great quote from DUer 'The Magistrate.' wyldwolf Feb 2015 #75

What positions have Bill or Hill ever held that would make him, her, or both apostates?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #80

None I'm aware of wyldwolf Feb 2015 #100

I don't care who the Democratic nominee is-- Kingofalldems Feb 2015 #20

That's nothing for Hillary. She once blew a 33 point lead on Obama LittleBlue Feb 2015 #31

Any port looks good in a storm./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #40

still not enough....she is ahead by 50! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #45

Are you of the opinion that Sanders has the political skills and resources of Obama? brooklynite Feb 2015 #98

"Are you of the opinion that Sanders has the political skills and resources of Obama?" Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #152

Fortunately for HRC, there are no Barack Obama(s) waiting in the wings. BHO made his mark in '04... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #144

Are there any polls showing how the other progressive candidates shape up against the Rs? jwirr Feb 2015 #34

There is a pretty big electability difference on the Democratic side though. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #39

Name recognition really messes with the polls now though... cascadiance Feb 2015 #82

You can read all about it here... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #46

HRC is killing it in the TX primary because she's hugely popular with Latinos. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #73

Hopefully Robbins Feb 2015 #90

yeah Robbins Feb 2015 #47

so in other words.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #74

Except for one thing: she lost the race which was "her race to lose" in 2008. closeupready Feb 2015 #79

No exception...she didn't lose by 50 points! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #83

Are you saying they lost because of her last year? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #89

Why did every single candidate, for whom she stumped last year, FAIL? closeupready Feb 2015 #49

Same reason the ones Warren stumped for failed. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #56

Because there has been a red tide in the past two mid-terms and popularity isn't transferable./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #63

Even better Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #59

Except she leads the field by fifty points now.Too bad...Too sad.../NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #69

I agree! She's the best Republican in the field! [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #86

Is that why she's leading her Democratic challenger by fifty percent? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #87

Too bad.. Too sad Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #88

For you, I agree...You should read Elisabeth Kubler Ross' five stages of grief. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #92

Clinton LOL Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #93

Captain Oblivious, LOL DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #95

Clinton LOL Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #96

I troll you with love, Captain Oblivious DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #97

Not all Democrats - Maedhros Feb 2015 #101

Don't light a match next to your straw men./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #104

Did she not vote for the IWR, and push for the bombing of Libya? Maedhros Feb 2015 #110

Joe Biden and John Kerry voted for the IWR ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #111

To the extent that the Party supports illegal wars, pushes for bullshit trade agreements Maedhros Feb 2015 #112

That's fair I guess but I would argue she is right in the center of Democratic thought. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #113

She's to the right of Obama, who is waaaaaayyyy to Right for me. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #120

Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren are both on the same square of the political compass, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #124

Thank you for proving my point. Maedhros Feb 2015 #126

As i said I'm in the bottom left quadrant with the Dalai Lama and Mandela DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #128

If we concede our convictions and vote for Authoritarian Rightists, Maedhros Feb 2015 #156

I applaud your idealism. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #157

There is a practical component to my stance as well. Maedhros Feb 2015 #161

Here are some interesting graphs DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #166

I understand. Maedhros Feb 2015 #167

Sick country. GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #134

There are other charts and most of the leaders in Western Europe were pretty much in the same place. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #138

Well shit. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #99

Your beef is with the Democratic party, ergo DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #103

Baloney Savannahmann Feb 2015 #193

I can't match you word for word, that would be impossible... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #200

That's not the Socratic method, and it's not even a good analogy. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #201

So we are in agreement that Hillary Clinton is in the main stream of the Democratic party? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #202

Your process has already fallen down. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #203

K&R! Expect to be trolled BIG TIME! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #102

Sticks and stones may break my bones but insults from random internet posters will never harm me./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #106

+1 Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #141

Let's hope those polls hold until 10/8/16./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #142

There are those for whom polls that they don't like tend to be dismissed as "wrong sample size"; Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #146

At least according to 691 people Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #105

Those polls are confirmed by other polls, ergo DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #109

All othe reputable polls show the same results. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #114

Why does a Democrat leading her Republican(t) challengers make some Democrats so upset?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #119

Because it puts her in a strong position and some here can not stand it. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #121

It's just the MRA brigade Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #123

MRA? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #125

I googled MRA and this came up DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #127

Basically Male dominance garbage. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #132

I'm a a guy but it will be nice to shatter another barrier like we did with President Obama. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #136

Been trying to figure out the hatred myself. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #139

IMHO, DU is quixotic and loves an underdog. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #140

I consider myself a realist when it comes to politics. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #145

That's a realistic space to occupy./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #148

Just think... OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #147

lol. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #149

BTW, He was being saracstic DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151

Okay. OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #153

He is a very ornery fellow. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #155

GOP versus GOP lite. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #131

And...? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #133

Well, if that poll should predict sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #158

No disrespect but I'm wary of anecdotal evidence. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #160

Good for you and your people sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #162

Again, in the spirit of harmony DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #165

Cute anecdote, but here's something scientific to chew on. Hope this doesn't blow up your theory. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #164

She's not polling over 50% and that matters. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #168

She's polling at 47-49% with ten or eleven percent undecided. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #169

No, it's a ceiling for her just like it was in 2008. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #170

How can it be harder to go from forty nine to fifty than forty to fifty? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #172

Exactly. There is no field. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #173

This Nate Silver? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #174

Or the Nate Silver who gives her a 75% chance of wresting the nomination DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #175

Nate, the OP polling, and I were addressing the general election. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #176

I know you believe Hillary is a maladroit politician. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #180

LOL, 26 recs! nt Logical Feb 2015 #177

Laugh all you want, she will be our nominee. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #179

Like when she had a 30 point lead in 2008 over Obama and lost the nomination? LOL! nt Logical Feb 2015 #181

Who could beat her? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #182

We will see. She had trouble raising money in 2008 also. Not a good sign. She does....... Logical Feb 2015 #183

Lol no deep support! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #184

True, people know her, but you wait and see the money and volunteers she gets..... Logical Feb 2015 #186

I also love the no comment on losing a 30 point lead to Obama! LOL!! nt Logical Feb 2015 #187

Oh she lost and there is no denying that but 2016 is not 2008. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #188

weeeeeee... WillyT Feb 2015 #185

Still my dream President Polybius Jul 2024 #205