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Tal Vez

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32. It's not very important to me that silence about a treaty might seem to be bad policy.

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:22 AM

Jun 2016

Policy isn't very relevant unless our candidate gets elected and then has the power to implement policy.

As for the politics, I prefer to leave that to the political experts. I have never run a presidential campaign. Whether or not a party platform should expressly oppose a treaty is a question best left to people who know more than I know about how to elect a president.

I think it is imperative that Clinton be elected. I want Clinton to hire the people who know best how to get her elected. And, I want those people to decide if it will or will not be helpful to expressly address my favorite issues in the party platform. I want Clinton elected so that she will be in a position to convert my favorite ideas to laws.

I feel the way that I do because I trust Clinton on policy and I trust her people on politics. I recognize that she may not be able to do all that I hope that she can do, but I am certain that she will be able to do nothing for me if she doesn't get elected.

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Nation: "The Democratic Party’s Draft Platform Doesn’t Oppose TPP—That’s Bad Policy and Bad Politics [View all] 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 OP

Yes, the Democratic Party platform committee was going to take a swipe at the president of the US TwilightZone Jun 2016 #1

The policy is HORRIBLE for America. It wasn't supported by the House Democrats at all. Obama think Jun 2016 #2

The policy is BRILLIANT for America. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #8

It's corporate law written by corporations for corporations. The GOP loves it think Jun 2016 #11

It's a Democratic trade agreement proposed by a Democratic president. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #12

Again 190 Republican voted for it. Only 28 Democrats. The unions hate it as do envirnmentalists think Jun 2016 #20

Even blind squirrels find nuts MohRokTah Jun 2016 #23

I'll stick with the Nobel prize winning economist over your blind squirrel references thank you..... think Jun 2016 #24

I'll stick with my president over an economist with an extremist anti-trade agenda. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #25

Is calling a Nobel prize winning economist policy positions extremist suppose to impress people? think Jun 2016 #27

Going to through the UN under the bus too? U.N.’s Legal Expert Calls Proposed Trade Deals Illegal AntiBank Jun 2016 #45

It is nice to see critical thinking instead of blind support for what authority puts before one.nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #31

Correct, TPP is just another mega disaster Hafta trade deal as the evidence appalachiablue Jun 2016 #59

So why should those who are currently skeptics KPN Jun 2016 #22

Polls show that most Democrats do support it. Apparently pampango Jun 2016 #37

Polls? I'd like someone to explain to me how this agreement KPN Jun 2016 #39

This agreement may be no better. The polls show that Democrats think that it is, while pampango Jun 2016 #40

if you think that Democrats crafted the vast bulk of the TPP AntiBank Jun 2016 #43

190 Republicans voted for it, while only 28 Democrats voted for it... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #34

190 Republicans in the House voted for it. Only 28 Democrats in the House voted for it arcane1 Jun 2016 #53

TPP is bad. I can't 840high Jun 2016 #7

TPP is great. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #10

you also support NAFTA wholeheartedly? Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #15

This may or may not open your eyes to the problems with this and previous trade agreements ciaobaby Jun 2016 #26

Lol.......... Pharaoh Jun 2016 #21

They chose to side with the republican-led congress that supports TPP arcane1 Jun 2016 #51

It gives Hillary wiggle room. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #3

Giving Hillary wiggle room is not wise IMHO. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #48

Who gets to write the platform? SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #4

There was only 1 person running who was actually for the people. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #5

Yes we are. 840high Jun 2016 #6

We are. Completely. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2016 #9

Yup, and the people KMOD Jun 2016 #13

The stuff to get done is worrisome then. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #16

If you are liberal minded it really shouldn't be. KMOD Jun 2016 #17

"The Democratic Party’s Draft Platform Doesn’t Oppose TPP ..." ... Jopin Klobe Jun 2016 #14

TPP ISDS process and the Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #18

+100 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #49

Bad policy, Bad politics...but..it pays well. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #19

Politicians dipping their beak in the big money trough yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #56

The party platform takes no position for or against. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #28

Yes, that was the point of the article. n/t ljm2002 Jun 2016 #35

it's designed that way to give Hillary political cover. Exilednight Jun 2016 #50

So then how many times in the past 50 years have the issue of trade deals been part of either cstanleytech Jun 2016 #29

The Nation is quite right. So are economists Joseph Stiglitz and Robert Reich. PatrickforO Jun 2016 #30

It's not very important to me that silence about a treaty might seem to be bad policy. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #32

"I prefer to leave that to the political experts." ljm2002 Jun 2016 #38

Hillary Clinton is not George W Bush. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #42

OFFS... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #44

I'm not blind. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #47

But your statement was that of a blind loyalist... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #58

I am not arrogant enough to pretend Tal Vez Jun 2016 #60

It appears Hillary's committee delegates know her actual stance on this issue. Scuba Jun 2016 #33

+10000! n/t ljm2002 Jun 2016 #36

+1, that's it in a nutshell. /nt Marr Jun 2016 #46

She'll support it, and half its opponents will pretend they loved it all along n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #52

Your sigline is worth 1,000 recs. Scuba Jun 2016 #54

Thanks, and likewise arcane1 Jun 2016 #57

Sickening to see the same mistakes made over and over vintx Jun 2016 #41

why wouldn't they? we'll still not only vote for it by the millions, but rally our relatives and MisterP Jun 2016 #55

I'm very underwhelmed by the platform so far A Little Weird Jun 2016 #61