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In reply to the discussion: Democrats have nothing to gain be telling Bernie and his supporters to go to hell [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)176. Every movement for change in human history has been called unworkable.
If we stayed with what some people thought would "work", no social or economic change would ever have happened.
What I support is about liberating the base, not abandoning it. The base is never better off when the party limits itself to minor change.
If you disagree with me, fine. But you have no right to accuse me of not living in the real world.
Your viewpoint is not the only possible "realistic" one. It is simply your view.
And since I have never sought to personally discredit you, you have no call to personally malign me.
BTW, I just got back from doing "campus watch" at the student housing at Evergreen, helping prevent racist or homophobic/transphobic attacks on my fellow students(there have been death threats and the posting of Neo-Nazi literature on campus, and the "Patriot Prayer"
crowd will be holding a hate rally on Red Square(the center of the campus). So don't ever lecture me about reality again.
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Democrats have nothing to gain be telling Bernie and his supporters to go to hell [View all]
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
OP
all this anti and pro bernie stuff is THE fake news attempt to breed discontent
beachbum bob
Jun 2017
#1
I'm with you on WOC and their needs and input. So are virtually all Sanders supporters.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#7
"I also have huge issues with his constant barrage of divisive speech towards the party ..."
LenaBaby61
Jun 2017
#12
He still exists. He is still trying to promote democratic ideas. He is still in the news. I still
The Wielding Truth
Jun 2017
#62
I would love for him to promote Democratic ideas...however attacking the Demoratic Party is
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#122
You don't have to tell Bernie to go to hell. I just do not share his vision. That is my right.
Trust Buster
Jun 2017
#10
Ding! Ding! Ding! Some of us, myself included, will never get over that. n/t
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2017
#90
If he is trying to reshape the party, to what degree does his own personality matter?
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#55
It's a legitimate question. He's trying to give the voices from below more of a say.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#74
Below where? What voices...everyone can express their ideas...but they can't just assume power they
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#236
I hear you...but at the same time, it's not just HIM wanting to do this restructuring.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#223
I despise "our revolutio"n which wastes money primarying Democrats...in the age of Trump, they go
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#237
The real world is a nice place and there are important things to be done in the real world
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#139
They are the posts of a progressive who has been active in real-world politics for decades.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#173
Again, your recommendations would be more believable if you ever worked in the real world
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#178
Again, your posts speak for themselves and tells the world about your real world involvement
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#192
That's what the republicans are saying over and over and over again - "there is no evidence....."
George II
Jun 2017
#76
We need to be a big tent party and some will get that or not...we will have to carry on without
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#44
And perhaps not be so eager to attack those who might almost be in our party. n/t
Orsino
Jun 2017
#45
No anyone who is not a Democrat especially in the age of Trump is a freeloader and I have no use for
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#47
Anyone who wants to join can join the party...if you mean admit Greens to the
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#78
I welcome their vote also...but I will not give them a say in how the Democratic party is run and
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#124
The party is run by those who join it...not voters who show up but are not Democrats.
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#133
If they're not joining, they aren't showing up in any capacity that would grant them a say.
Orsino
Jun 2017
#134
Agreed...on every point...but I think some who join recently should have some say...new ideas should
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#136
I have never seen someone work so hard to make Sanders and his supporters...
NCTraveler
Jun 2017
#48
There is nothing to be gained by Bernie and some progressives trashing the Democratic Party.
hrmjustin
Jun 2017
#51
"Black voters don't hate EVERYBODY who's connected with Bernie." Not so sure. n/t
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2017
#160
"Why, why and why?" Good questions! I believe I know the correct answers to all three...
NurseJackie
Jun 2017
#65
Exactly right. Really wish the OP would be corrected or made to fit explanations
Justice
Jun 2017
#84
Not deflecting. Proving my innocence on the charge of refighting the primaries.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#172
If history is a lesson...Bernie voters can't win a primary. And I dispute your election
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#123
You can't say that for sure. And there is no evidence his abortion views hurt him.
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#152
There was a Democratic candidate...Northam...perfectly fine guy...defended women
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#159
Sanders goal of remaking the party into his image requires that the party reject its base
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#188
It's simply a lie to claim that anyone with my views has called on the party
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#118
Bernie was my choice but what matters most is uniting to defeat Trump and Rs
MiltonBrown
Jun 2017
#94
According to a bernie campaign worker, there were a large number of bernie staffers in VA
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#114
I agree...my family has been in Virginia for years two of my brothers were born there...
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#126
The election is over. We have more important things to worry about than this...
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#121
If we follow the bad advice from some of whom you refer to we will be stuck in November 2016 IE
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#180
Can I tell Bernie to go register as a Democrat? His supporters, if they want to be taken seriously,
LuvLoogie
Jun 2017
#177
If Sanders wants to remake the party into his own image, he should join the party
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#186
I didn't say Bernie was the answer to EVERY election. But we can't win if we totally repudiate
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#208
California is heavily Latino, and the coast is mostly liberal. As soon as you get inland, though...
Hekate
Jun 2017
#239
I have to say upon reading your posts...something jumps out at me...you seem to think Sen. Sanders
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#234
I know. A close finish then. I accepted her as nominee and worked hard in the fall for her.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#229
Why is it so hard for people to see that, if we blend the best ideas of Bernie's campaign
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#248
Your posts speak for themselves and your platform has lost every time it was tried
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#268
it's amazing how you can read the mind of HRC voters who clearly voted for her in large nubmers
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2017
#247
OK, a lot of them liked her as well(nothing I'm saying here is an attack on her, y'know).
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#249
why can't you stop demeaning all her voters as not having liked her
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2017
#250
I accept that she won the nomination...I campaigned for her in the fall...why isn't that enough?
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#252
Lol yeah there is nothing sexist at all denying that 7 points is hardly a victory
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2017
#253
I said it was a victory. And I accept that er supporters had the right to vote the way they did.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#254
Ken how did the Sanders supported candidates do in New York, Florida, Montana and Virginia?
Gothmog
Jun 2017
#258
No Dem could've won that seat in Montana. The guy we did run cut the margin from 20 points to 6
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#260
Those voters had issues with Bernie as a person-none of those groups are anti-left.
Ken Burch
Jun 2017
#270