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Ken Burch

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254. I said it was a victory. And I accept that er supporters had the right to vote the way they did.

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #253)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:30 PM

Jun 2017

What do I have to do? Pretend it was a landslide? Accept the idea that it was a total rejection of ideas to HRC's left?

It wasn't. If it had been, there wouldn't have been people all over the country saying "my heart's with Bernie-my head's with Hillary".

I opposed HRC in the primaries for one reason and one reason only...she was the less-progressive candidate.

I supported her all-out once she was nominated.

And I'm not attacking her here. I wasn't even MENTIONING here in this thread until you brought up the California primary.

Why are you so fixated on that primary? What difference does it make now?

You totally have me wrong on gender.

If a man had run on her exact same set of policy issues, I'd have had the exact same feeling about that man as I did about her.

I NEVER, under any circumstances, support the less-progressive candidate in ANY primary-I've never been anywhere where the greater progressive good was ever served by doing so. It really was about the issues.

And I supported her in the fall. I campaigned for her in the fall.

What more did I have to do?

This isn't about her.

You brought up the primaries.

I'm about the future.

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Democrats have nothing to gain be telling Bernie and his supporters to go to hell [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2017 OP

all this anti and pro bernie stuff is THE fake news attempt to breed discontent beachbum bob Jun 2017 #1

Yup jberryhill Jun 2017 #2

this will be my first and laast comment on anything bernie sanders beachbum bob Jun 2017 #3

I agree, this is getting very tireing to even see thread. Bye Jim Beard Jun 2017 #34

I'm pro-America. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #4

Exactly! FarPoint Jun 2017 #6

don't have to embrace but definitely quit lobbing grenades beachbum bob Jun 2017 #20

Yeap YCHDT Jun 2017 #39

Do I hear outcry for WOC and their needs and input? justiceischeap Jun 2017 #5

I'm with you on WOC and their needs and input. So are virtually all Sanders supporters. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #7

I supported Keith Ellison justiceischeap Jun 2017 #8

"I also have huge issues with his constant barrage of divisive speech towards the party ..." LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #12

Same here justiceischeap Jun 2017 #32

Fair enough. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #16

I have plenty of friends that view the 90's very favorably justiceischeap Jun 2017 #33

"Bernie REFUSES to join the Democratic Party" nocalflea Jun 2017 #28

Agreed Gothmog Jun 2017 #112

Any post mentioning Bernie is guaranteed flamebait SecularMotion Jun 2017 #9

Yes. And that is crazy and on its face should be unacceptable Tom Rinaldo Jun 2017 #41

For 25 years, 96% of the time he voted with the Democrats. Hortensis Jun 2017 #149

He still exists. He is still trying to promote democratic ideas. He is still in the news. I still The Wielding Truth Jun 2017 #62

I would love for him to promote Democratic ideas...however attacking the Demoratic Party is Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #122

I do. I understand why. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #191

You don't have to tell Bernie to go to hell. I just do not share his vision. That is my right. Trust Buster Jun 2017 #10

Is this a novel-in-progress or a film script? delisen Jun 2017 #11

"Election Day" as a dark remake of "Groundhog Day"? nt Buns_of_Fire Jun 2017 #14

...and vice versa OKNancy Jun 2017 #13

He's not a presidential candidate now. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #15

issues, maybe but on a personal level OKNancy Jun 2017 #18

i think because he wanted Obama to be primaried in 2012 JI7 Jun 2017 #19

Ding! Ding! Ding! Some of us, myself included, will never get over that. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #90

He did...and we probably would have lost just like in 16...only sooner. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #235

If he is trying to reshape the party, to what degree does his own personality matter? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #55

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #60

It's a legitimate question. He's trying to give the voices from below more of a say. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #74

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #77

Below where? What voices...everyone can express their ideas...but they can't just assume power they Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #236

I gotta lol Control-Z Jun 2017 #116

If he's trying to "reshape the party" NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #210

Look, I wish he'd join myself. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #216

Okay, I'll try to explain, in simple terms NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #219

I hear you...but at the same time, it's not just HIM wanting to do this restructuring. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #223

I despise "our revolutio"n which wastes money primarying Democrats...in the age of Trump, they go Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #237

It matters. Your standards may differ personally... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #225

Your analysis is wrong as normal Gothmog Jun 2017 #113

I proved I live in the real world Ken Burch Jun 2017 #115

Please get out into the real world Gothmog Jun 2017 #128

You don't have to be a left-hating centrist to be in the real world. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #138

The real world is a nice place and there are important things to be done in the real world Gothmog Jun 2017 #139

This is abuse. I've proved over and over I'm in the real world. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #141

I picked a group that has Sanders supporters Gothmog Jun 2017 #147

Why do you assume I do nothing in the real world? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #148

Your posts speak for themselves Gothmog Jun 2017 #164

They are the posts of a progressive who has been active in real-world politics for decades. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #173

I am free to draw my own conclusions from your posts Gothmog Jun 2017 #174

Every movement for change in human history has been called unworkable. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #176

Again, your recommendations would be more believable if you ever worked in the real world Gothmog Jun 2017 #178

I live in the real world. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #185

Again, your posts speak for themselves and tells the world about your real world involvement Gothmog Jun 2017 #192

Excellent advice... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #197

Gothmog never said any such thing Cary Jun 2017 #166

👍 NurseJackie Jun 2017 #169

LOL Gothmog Jun 2017 #183

I heard otherwise. _BravoMan_ Jun 2017 #171

That is untrue. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #179

Bernie is not running for anything...I like certain Democratic politicians, Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #17

Nah. nt Maven Jun 2017 #21

Perhaps it would be appropriate for Sen Sanders and some of his supporters mcar Jun 2017 #22

+1 brer cat Jun 2017 #27

Amen.... Adrahil Jun 2017 #42

If they keep doing the same thing, Democrats will keep losing. alarimer Jun 2017 #23

'We need support wherever we can get it.' dansolo Jun 2017 #24

Bernie's insults are a gift to us Maven Jun 2017 #30

Hi, Maven... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #81

Back atcha Maven Jun 2017 #99

:) BainsBane Jun 2017 #95

... Maven Jun 2017 #100

:) brer cat Jun 2017 #132

TY Maven Jun 2017 #135

Love your post, Maven! NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #211

That goes both ways IMHO Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #25

No but it seems that SOME Bernie supporters... nycbos Jun 2017 #26

I think things would work better if WhiteTara Jun 2017 #29

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch... Fix The Stupid Jun 2017 #35

I'd appreciate you using your inside voice. WhiteTara Jun 2017 #40

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #43

When the investigations are complete WhiteTara Jun 2017 #50

Are you sure you're on the right site? Maven Jun 2017 #66

That's what the republicans are saying over and over and over again - "there is no evidence....." George II Jun 2017 #76

It's also what the TYT/Intercept crowd is saying Maven Jun 2017 #79

They're getting their financial support from the same people. George II Jun 2017 #88

Donald Fucking Trump was RIGGED in by the Russians.. Cha Jun 2017 #72

Why do you refer to Democrats as "you" lapucelle Jun 2017 #103

That bothers me too. It's very annoying... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #201

Key word being "support." Orsino Jun 2017 #31

Great post. Unite...don't divide. n/t Fix The Stupid Jun 2017 #36

We have to treasure our divisions... Orsino Jun 2017 #38

We need to be a big tent party and some will get that or not...we will have to carry on without Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #44

And perhaps not be so eager to attack those who might almost be in our party. n/t Orsino Jun 2017 #45

No anyone who is not a Democrat especially in the age of Trump is a freeloader and I have no use for Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #47

I'm referring to making the tent bigger. Orsino Jun 2017 #49

Anyone who wants to join can join the party...if you mean admit Greens to the Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #78

If a green decides to vote Democrat BainsBane Jun 2017 #97

I welcome their vote also...but I will not give them a say in how the Democratic party is run and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #124

The party's run by those who show up... Orsino Jun 2017 #131

The party is run by those who join it...not voters who show up but are not Democrats. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #133

If they're not joining, they aren't showing up in any capacity that would grant them a say. Orsino Jun 2017 #134

Agreed...on every point...but I think some who join recently should have some say...new ideas should Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #136

Yeah. The parable of the vineyard is lost on some. n/t Orsino Jun 2017 #137

Well said. BainsBane Jun 2017 #96

One side just held a large rally where they couldn't help but bash Dems. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #37

Damn Straight, Sascha! I'm sick of this Orwellian Cha Jun 2017 #73

Yes, but Bernie telling the Democratic Party to "go to hell" maxrandb Jun 2017 #46

I have never seen someone work so hard to make Sanders and his supporters... NCTraveler Jun 2017 #48

There is nothing to be gained by Bernie and some progressives trashing the Democratic Party. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #51

[x] Like for your post...eom Kolesar Jun 2017 #53

Damn right, it's offensive and ridiculous to do so. elleng Jun 2017 #52

No, it doesn't. Not even close. BS keeps insulting Cha Jun 2017 #71

Sorry we disagree, Cha, elleng Jun 2017 #82

He is going to get called out on it. Cha Jun 2017 #83

Many call him out on telling the truth. elleng Jun 2017 #85

Yeah and many many all over the net & twitter call him on his insults. It's Cha Jun 2017 #86

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #109

Uncertainty, More Than Populism, Is New Normal in Western Politics. elleng Jun 2017 #110

Another "broken record" repeat of Sanders' boring talking points...eom Kolesar Jun 2017 #54

Yep. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #67

+Millions! Cha Jun 2017 #87

Northam just won the VA Democratic primary. lapucelle Jun 2017 #104

I know! Cha Jun 2017 #105

And, there's this.. Cha Jun 2017 #106

I'm very pleased with those results. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #107

I know, right?! Cha Jun 2017 #108

Black voters don't hate EVERYBODY who's connected with Bernie. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #157

I didn't say they did. Not too happy Cha Jun 2017 #158

He said that, not the candidates he supports. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #161

"Black voters don't hate EVERYBODY who's connected with Bernie." Not so sure. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #160

THere was nothing better about Northam. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #144

I don't agree. lapucelle Jun 2017 #150

My support needs to be EARNED. I don't give it away for free. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #56

This +1000! mcar Jun 2017 #68

and one man isn't an ideology BainsBane Jun 2017 #91

You are correct. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #98

The entire situation reminds me of a fan club...not a political movement. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #125

This, to the inth power! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #101

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #111

Where and when have "Democrats" told Sanders to go to hell? George II Jun 2017 #57

Yes, thank you! I was wondering the same thing... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #58

Exactly. Straw man. murielm99 Jun 2017 #64

"Why, why and why?" Good questions! I believe I know the correct answers to all three... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #65

We told 'em to think and they thought it was hell Kolesar Jun 2017 #69

I don't think either side should tell the other to go to hell. kentuck Jun 2017 #59

Show me where BS supporters murielm99 Jun 2017 #70

That's what I'm saying. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #75

Nope. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #80

Exactly right. Really wish the OP would be corrected or made to fit explanations Justice Jun 2017 #84

It'll never happen ... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #93

What I posted doesn't have to be "neutral". It simply has to be fair. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #117

LOL! Well, actually... yes you did. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #119

It's only refighting to argue that we should have nominated Bernie. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #145

That's not what your OP is about. Why change the subject... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #163

Not deflecting. Proving my innocence on the charge of refighting the primaries. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #172

LOL ... Yeah right. Sure. Whatever. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #175

If history is a lesson...Bernie voters can't win a primary. And I dispute your election Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #123

Fine, Northam won. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #142

You can't say that for sure. And there is no evidence his abortion views hurt him. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #152

Nobody else wanted to run. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #155

There was a Democratic candidate...Northam...perfectly fine guy...defended women Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #159

I was talking about Montana. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #162

The Sanders endorsed candidate lost because of the African American vote Gothmog Jun 2017 #184

We don't have to repudiate Bernie to hold African-American votes. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #187

Sanders goal of remaking the party into his image requires that the party reject its base Gothmog Jun 2017 #188

That is absolutely not true. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #189

The votes in the real world say otherwise Gothmog Jun 2017 #193

Wasn't Bernie the one who slammed "Identity Politics"? NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #212

Correct. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #190

Good points throughout - but you are talking to some closed minds KTM Jun 2017 #240

Agreed Gothmog Jun 2017 #140

NOr....More Importantly Me. Jun 2017 #154

It's not about making the party "into the image of Sanders". Ken Burch Jun 2017 #156

Ken-you are wrong yet again Gothmog Jun 2017 #168

It's merely criticism when we tell their supporters to go to hell. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #61

Oh-Oh. nt Blue_true Jun 2017 #63

"Telling them to go to hell" BainsBane Jun 2017 #89

It's simply a lie to claim that anyone with my views has called on the party Ken Burch Jun 2017 #118

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #120

None of us have. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #143

Anytime you bust out the emojis, it is proof you have no argument. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #146

LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #165

Additionally, there is zero evidence that your perscription is a winning one BainsBane Jun 2017 #92

Bernie was my choice but what matters most is uniting to defeat Trump and Rs MiltonBrown Jun 2017 #94

Well said. fallout87 Jun 2017 #102

According to a bernie campaign worker, there were a large number of bernie staffers in VA Gothmog Jun 2017 #114

I agree...my family has been in Virginia for years two of my brothers were born there... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #126

The election is over. We have more important things to worry about than this... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #121

I have nothing but CONTEMPT for the Independent. Foamfollower Jun 2017 #127

He caucused with the Democratic Party for decades. n/t That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #202

.... betsuni Jun 2017 #129

If we follow the bad advice from some of whom you refer to we will be stuck in November 2016 IE Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #180

I have no idea what the argument is, really. betsuni Jun 2017 #181

Not a bad idea...I happen to love poetry. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #200

Perriello was just as electable as Northam. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #195

No he was not. He would have been branded as a socialist and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #199

The voters in Virginia strongly disagreed Gothmog Jun 2017 #203

Ok, you made a poem out of my post...so what? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #194

Hey man, do not disparage my hobby! betsuni Jun 2017 #196

No disparagement of your hobby intended Ken Burch Jun 2017 #207

Agree. ananda Jun 2017 #130

Totally agree. UNITY in 2018 & 2020 will be CRUCIAL. CousinIT Jun 2017 #151

'Make Him A Prophet Without Honor' Me. Jun 2017 #153

Black Voters Will Be Democratic Kingmakers in 2020 Gothmog Jun 2017 #167

I Hope So Me. Jun 2017 #170

Can I tell Bernie to go register as a Democrat? His supporters, if they want to be taken seriously, LuvLoogie Jun 2017 #177

If Sanders wants to remake the party into his own image, he should join the party Gothmog Jun 2017 #186

Why Bernie Sanders is not the answer to every election Gothmog Jun 2017 #182

I didn't say Bernie was the answer to EVERY election. But we can't win if we totally repudiate Ken Burch Jun 2017 #208

Your attempt at analysis is wrong Gothmog Jun 2017 #209

Thank you Gothmob NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #214

Sanders economic message failed in Texas Gothmog Jun 2017 #220

I've been in the real world for decades. I've proved that. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #224

Again your posts speak for themselves Gothmog Jun 2017 #230

I'm a RETURNING college student. At Evergreen, not U of W. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #231

+1 KTM Jun 2017 #241

Ken, not everything is about you. Cary Jul 2017 #271

Very cogent, Gothmog... Hekate Jun 2017 #232

California is leading the fight against trump is so many different ways Gothmog Jun 2017 #233

California is heavily Latino, and the coast is mostly liberal. As soon as you get inland, though... Hekate Jun 2017 #239

I keep asking this question of people without an answer.... George II Jun 2017 #213

You might want to check the grammar in that sentence. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #215

Probably not, I'm stuck on my phone...but, George II Jun 2017 #217

"those we're losing TO"? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #218

By magic La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #256

LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #222

I have to say upon reading your posts...something jumps out at me...you seem to think Sen. Sanders Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #234

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #198

The funny thing about some of the posts here against Sanders That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #204

How did Bernie do in the CA primary again? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #206

Uh...he lost. Expecting Rain Jun 2017 #221

He lost, but it was a very close vote Ken Burch Jun 2017 #227

she won in 2008 against Obama also JI7 Jun 2017 #228

I know. A close finish then. I accepted her as nominee and worked hard in the fall for her. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #229

400,000 is NOT a "very close vote" brooklynite Jun 2017 #238

Neither is 43% a small segment of the vote. KTM Jun 2017 #244

Why is it so hard for people to see that, if we blend the best ideas of Bernie's campaign Ken Burch Jun 2017 #248

Ken in the real world, these platform planks have failed Gothmog Jun 2017 #257

I've proved I live in the real world. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #261

Your posts again speak for themselves Gothmog Jun 2017 #264

I've proved I've participated in the real world for decades. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #266

Your posts speak for themselves and your platform has lost every time it was tried Gothmog Jun 2017 #268

it's always news to me that 7 point margin is close La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #245

53% to 46% is a fairly close outcome. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #246

it's amazing how you can read the mind of HRC voters who clearly voted for her in large nubmers La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #247

OK, a lot of them liked her as well(nothing I'm saying here is an attack on her, y'know). Ken Burch Jun 2017 #249

why can't you stop demeaning all her voters as not having liked her La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #250

I accept that she won the nomination...I campaigned for her in the fall...why isn't that enough? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #252

Lol yeah there is nothing sexist at all denying that 7 points is hardly a victory La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #253

I said it was a victory. And I accept that er supporters had the right to vote the way they did. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #254

You started a thread on Bernie and his supporters La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #255

Great post Gothmog Jun 2017 #259

Ken how did the Sanders supported candidates do in New York, Florida, Montana and Virginia? Gothmog Jun 2017 #258

No Dem could've won that seat in Montana. The guy we did run cut the margin from 20 points to 6 Ken Burch Jun 2017 #260

You had an opponent who committed assault and battery Gothmog Jun 2017 #262

The assault and battery occurred on election eve. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #265

The Sanders endorsed candidate still lost the election day vote Gothmog Jun 2017 #267

Those voters had issues with Bernie as a person-none of those groups are anti-left. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #270

LOL. ok, then. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #205

Look, folks, it's simple: 1) Vote for the most progressive... Beartracks Jun 2017 #226

It doesn't matter. romanic Jun 2017 #242

Its a sad statement about this forum.... KTM Jun 2017 #243

Agree!!! I like Bernie, and, also the Democratic Party! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #251

Exactly nt retrowire Jun 2017 #263

The river flows both ways, Ken... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #269