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299. Both you and MSH are creating straw men

Wed Oct 25, 2017, 05:30 PM

Oct 2017

Boogie-men and women that are, , "progressive . . . independent . . . backstabbing Green asshats."

I agree, those people are not part of the base. Not democrats. Fringe.

That is not who I am talking about, and I think both of you know that.

The progressive wing of the Democratic party contains folks generally left of the leadership. For single payor, for subsidized education, for policies that redistribute the wealth, for polices that reign in the abuses of corporations. For policies that eliminate corporations from the political system. Basically, leftist idealists. Leadership is more concerned with the practicality of governing and maintaining a winning coalition, admirable goals. Causes them to take more centrist positions. Nothing wrong with that - it is certainly worth debating where on the political spectrum policies should be advocated vs. what is possible.

But what is wrong, and what I will vehemently fight against, is the attempt to belittle these leftist progressives as not part of the party or what is wrong with the party. They did not cause the election results we got. And it is ridiculous to suggest so.

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So Sanders is going back to running as an Indy for his senate seat. [View all] Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 OP

Let it cilla4progress Oct 2017 #1

I second that mikeysnot Oct 2017 #4

Don't think he can dembotoz Oct 2017 #6

Before THIS thread, sow me evidence to back up your comment. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #10

Over and over like this hasn't been beaten to death dembotoz Oct 2017 #81

My question was about ME. You said it about ME. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #93

Well if the shoe fits.. give it a rest dembotoz Oct 2017 #175

There ya go. Obfuscating again. Man up. Say what you meant Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #183

I sense someone trying to provoke so they can hit the alert dembotoz Oct 2017 #193

Ah, so that's it. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #196

Can't say I give a shit to look at your history dembotoz Oct 2017 #246

So, you just threw out a personal accusation to me with ZERO proof Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #252

Bernie bashing has become quite the sport dembotoz Oct 2017 #255

All fine and dandy. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #258

Ignore them. There is nothing for you to let go. You are discussing present tense. stevenleser Oct 2017 #184

That is not true. Sanders made this decision this week. stevenleser Oct 2017 #186

Object to what... tonedevil Oct 2017 #191

Interesting try at reframing the debate with a red herring but I'm not biting. stevenleser Oct 2017 #192

As stipulated... tonedevil Oct 2017 #195

And as I said, your red herring is irrelevant. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #202

You... tonedevil Oct 2017 #207

He made a public statement this week BainsBane Oct 2017 #232

Just trash the thread and move on SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #61

Let what go? George II Oct 2017 #89

There is nothing to let go. Sanders made a decision this week we don't like. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #185

Nothing wrong with Hillary or Bernie. The election was rigged. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #2

+ 1 This Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #36

I'm sick of the Dem circular firing squad when the election was stolen. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #40

Hillary Only Had To Beat The FBI, Russia, Trump, And The Entire Billionaire Funded GOP SeattlePop Oct 2017 #65

Exactly, blaming her is not facing reality. And until the Dems face Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #69

She could have beaten all of them except the FBI. Actually, she did beat the FBI the first two times StevieM Oct 2017 #194

Further, I think the suppression hepled a hell of a lot too. So wan't just the FBI. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #197

YES. FBI, Putin, voter rigging, suppression, intense propaganda, slander. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #215

Amazing that, right? Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #220

Yes, so all the Hillary bashing leaves me totally dumb founded. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #222

Thank-you Irish, for the support and balance. I totally respect your position. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #223

Yes I wonder too. So far nothing is being done to secure our voting system. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #224

Now I have to go defend Bernie on another thread. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #225

LOL I'll try. But you know how the Irish are. :( Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #226

I do. Maternal side. Both parents of my mothers parents. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #227

Off topic, but I think Ireland is letting great grandchildren of immigrants Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #228

Really, just men? Beartracks Oct 2017 #303

Comey was a huge blow. But could Hillary have beaten Putin? Not sure. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #214

She had Trump, Putin and Comey beat--decisively--with 11 days to go. StevieM Oct 2017 #217

This is a much more productive dialogue than blaming Hillary and Bernie. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #219

There wasn't voter fraud. There was election fraud. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #274

Yes. The crime of the century. We do not know yet the full extent of the crime. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #276

Yes Bernie and O'Malley would have been targeted too. nt Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #218

Yes, and Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #213

If we don't face reality it is going to happen again, YES. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #216

Not blaming them. And Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #325

The propaganda was intense, unrelenting and targeted to both right and left. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #327

+ 1,000,000 LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #74

+1000 Duppers Oct 2017 #122

With posts like this SHRED Oct 2017 #3

He needed the DNC $$$$ and resources hack89 Oct 2017 #11

bullcrap shanny Oct 2017 #17

Right. You keep believing that hack89 Oct 2017 #20

lol shanny Oct 2017 #21

ok. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #22

Source for this being his reason for running as a Dem? ehrnst Oct 2017 #38

Bernie himself, repeatedly and early. shanny Oct 2017 #124

Seriously? The vote was split by all the divisiveness. brush Oct 2017 #42

+1, and it was only about 75,000 people spread over about 4 states. R B Garr Oct 2017 #94

This! (nt) ehrnst Oct 2017 #128

So, what, exactly? shanny Oct 2017 #254

Not at all equivalent. Hillary backed O enthusiastically, Sanders backed her reluctantly... brush Oct 2017 #256

Did her followers? shanny Oct 2017 #261

Where we talking about the losers of the 2 primaries, Clinton and Sanders, or the pumas? brush Oct 2017 #264

Nader ran in the General Election as an independent, he never ran in the 2000 Primaries..... George II Oct 2017 #133

Disingenuous much? shanny Oct 2017 #247

What's disingenuous? You're comparing a primary campaign to a general election campaign. George II Oct 2017 #269

for some people it is shanny Oct 2017 #304

He said he ran as a dam for media cover...so it because he needed something from us to all american girl Oct 2017 #306

... shanny Oct 2017 #310

Exactly, and his own words say that. He needed the media attention running as R B Garr Oct 2017 #25

He set a record for donations SHRED Oct 2017 #27

What would you expect him to say? "I want the cash"? hack89 Oct 2017 #32

Sanders says he ran as a Democrat for 'media coverage' charlyvi Oct 2017 #45

So? Are we supposed to take everything a politician says at face value? hack89 Oct 2017 #47

Um...I'm agreeing with you charlyvi Oct 2017 #48

Sorry. Caffeine levels must be low. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #51

No problem. n/t charlyvi Oct 2017 #58

I have zero problems with his common sense approach. nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #101

You can agree or not with his approach charlyvi Oct 2017 #113

Of course he ran as a dem for dem infrastructure. Who thought otherwise?!?! Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #121

You haven't read this complete thread, have you? charlyvi Oct 2017 #123

Trump says he sexually assaults and gets away with it. Yes, I listen. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #106

My two points still stand however SHRED Oct 2017 #91

Not really. The donations were challenged in formal FEC investigative letters R B Garr Oct 2017 #100

Such an unproductive topic SHRED Oct 2017 #108

It's more about One Man, if we're being realistic, and there is more to R B Garr Oct 2017 #110

Bingo. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #132

Plus, at the time he decided to run as a Dem charlyvi Oct 2017 #120

And he also promised at that time to stay in the Democratic Party and broke that promise. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #283

3 or 4 different periods with FEC? Also, a 10 million donation I have not heard followup on. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #140

Well, I am disappointed and not surprised. We gave him the benefit he didn't want to split the vote Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #102

Irrelevant point Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #107

Significant and telling point. He had no respect or integrity when it came to the Democratic Party, Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #112

Exactly. Well said, Msh. charlyvi Oct 2017 #136

It's amazing how you see reactions to bad decisions and suggest even worse decisions. stevenleser Oct 2017 #188

It's not "back"...he never changed from WhiteTara Oct 2017 #5

Exactly. He filed the necessary paperwork with the Senate last year, stopbush Oct 2017 #14

His running "as a Democrat" rock Oct 2017 #53

He's running as an Independent WhiteTara Oct 2017 #155

Yeah rock Oct 2017 #156

Are you surprised? WhiteTara Oct 2017 #163

When at least two people commit a planned crime rock Oct 2017 #212

Sanders is not going to get any more money from the Dems. librechik Oct 2017 #7

I'm a Dem and he's going to get more money from me if he needs it. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #49

Same here. MuseRider Oct 2017 #59

Same here. Duppers Oct 2017 #115

I honestly think that Senator MuseRider Oct 2017 #141

Excellent points. Duppers Oct 2017 #328

No doubt you and other will send him money. But I don't think he can win a primary for many reasons Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #157

Here is the thing. I thought maybe people might recognize the courts as our one last chance. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #176

You have ANY evidence that progressive democrats don't care about the courts? hueymahl Oct 2017 #181

Yes. I do. Anyone claiming to be progressive and writing Sanders name in or voting Stein made it Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #190

OOOOKAAY hueymahl Oct 2017 #199

Pretty straight forward and an easy, really easy concept so I have to ask why your challenge. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #200

Well, progressives are a sizable portion of the Democratic base hueymahl Oct 2017 #201

You could not be more wrong. You are the one that defines a "progressive" in a limited manner. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #204

I have not given a definition of progressive hueymahl Oct 2017 #208

No, I did not. Take it back. I ONLY stated those writing in Sanders or voting 3rd party or not Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #211

No...these folks are not any sort of the Democratic base...and I question their progressive Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #267

First of all ....Democrats are progressive...the far far left and green riffraff are not the base Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #266

Both you and MSH are creating straw men hueymahl Oct 2017 #299

"Progressive wing" of the party. Ya, that. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #305

There you go creating straw men again hueymahl Oct 2017 #311

You do not get the definition of strawman anymore than a small faction gets to own progressive. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #312

Straw Man, redux squared hueymahl Oct 2017 #315

The progressive wing of the Democratic party contains folks generally left of the leadership Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #317

Yes, I stand by that statement hueymahl Oct 2017 #320

I only count a few that do not work on social reform and tell us to put it to the side. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #313

Off the top of my head hueymahl Oct 2017 #314

A handful. I have another. Sanders. He is not about progressing on liberal social ideas. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #316

You know, you and I don't disagree that much hueymahl Oct 2017 #318

You do not understand why I made my point in my posts? Because a small faction is taking Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #319

I agree with that, at least partially hueymahl Oct 2017 #321

Clinton is very progressive as is Pelosi and others being bashed continually. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #322

I don't disagree hueymahl Oct 2017 #323

I agree completely. And when I brought up courts on other sites the response was meh Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #265

He has been raising money for dems for years. scipan Oct 2017 #174

Has he? I do not know that is fact. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #177

+1. No DNC support for this person. liquid diamond Oct 2017 #308

Yeah, Bernie was sitting at that dinner table with Flynn and Stein Greybnk48 Oct 2017 #8

My favorite part is the little trick you pull when you follow Sanders' name with that of Stein. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #9

The intention is not to refight the primaries but to avoid a repeat of our 16 loss in 20. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #16

I thought the 16 loss was all Russia and Comey? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #56

If you don't cherry pick your "reality," it's not hard at all to keep track. The Russian's R B Garr Oct 2017 #79

Bernie's campaign and his supporters radical noodle Oct 2017 #241

So it wasnt Russia and Comey among other things? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #103

Apparently it was all Sanders Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #109

You dont seem bothered regardless of what happened. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #111

I'm very bothered that we have Trump in office. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #119

Clinton wasn't "primaried".. disillusioned73 Oct 2017 #152

We all know what he meant hueymahl Oct 2017 #182

I would hope so... GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #209

Oh yay! A "no evidence of Russian Interference" person emulatorloo Oct 2017 #114

Absolutely NOT what I'm saying. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #117

It was the divisiveness which he engaged in, and it drew lots of attention R B Garr Oct 2017 #116

Ok, it was exploited Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #135

He lost early on in the primary. Its conventional wisdom R B Garr Oct 2017 #149

It was more than one things as you know...wouldn't like to see it happen in 20. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #154

+1 demmiblue Oct 2017 #18

+1 leftstreet Oct 2017 #33

The sound of many hands clapping. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39

thank you! Raster Oct 2017 #72

! MuseRider Oct 2017 #142

Could not have been said better hueymahl Oct 2017 #180

Yep. Freethinker65 Oct 2017 #229

He has always run in Vermont as an independent. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #12

Amen. shanny Oct 2017 #19

+1 SixString Oct 2017 #37

I'm not familiar with the Independent Party platform. What are their stated principles? Demit Oct 2017 #62

You arent familiar with Senator Sanders positions? Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #138

Okay, so what is the common usage of the term Independent? Demit Oct 2017 #144

I don't vote for independents if a Democrat is a available personally under any circumstance. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #159

Good luck with that. Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #162

Except when he hasn't DFW Oct 2017 #245

Wrong. Blue_true Oct 2017 #271

The post you dispute is actually 100% correct. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #287

But he said he would stay a Democrat in 2015. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #285

We often disagree, but I agree completely with this post. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #13

How does he vote on the issues? Shouldn't that be the question? jalan48 Oct 2017 #15

The natural follow-up is: If one votes all "D," why is one not a regstered "D"? WinkyDink Oct 2017 #26

And my natural follow up to that is "Joe Manchin". phleshdef Oct 2017 #29

Bingo. alarimer Oct 2017 #46

So your opinion is that even though Manchin votes with us 75% of the time mythology Oct 2017 #67

That's a little too shorthand for me. Could you explain what you mean? Demit Oct 2017 #64

Joe Manchin is more of a team player comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #73

West Virginia is my home state. I know all about it. phleshdef Oct 2017 #77

Joe is not engaging in a hostile take over attempt so comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #87

I grew up in Logan. phleshdef Oct 2017 #146

I miss Robert Byrd. scipan Oct 2017 #172

Or Jay Rockefeller, who was campaigning for Obama during the 08 primaries. phleshdef Oct 2017 #251

Who cares? It's how he votes that counts with me. Plus, he's one of the most popular politicians jalan48 Oct 2017 #31

Yes. Which brings up his Nay vote on Russia sanctions. VOX Oct 2017 #129

He made it quite clear that the sanctions bill was unacceptable because it included new sanctions Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #250

Another moose-squirrel fight!!! Boris told me to ... Whiskeytide Oct 2017 #23

I would like to ask BS (heh) just 1 question: Exactly with what part of the Democratic Platform do WinkyDink Oct 2017 #24

Yep. And he will get re-elected with no problem. And he will continue to caucus with the Dems. phleshdef Oct 2017 #28

If Democrats can't come together, the drumpf family business will have democratisphere Oct 2017 #30

To that I will add, Democrats, Progressives, Socialists, Independents, Democratic Progressives, Wwcd Oct 2017 #52

Bernie was asked in 2016 if he would run as a Democrat in future elections. ollie10 Oct 2017 #34

BINGO!!!! THIS (look up) Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #41

Oh, he must've meant in 2020. To that I say "dream on". We've seen that movie before. brush Oct 2017 #43

The question he was asked was talking about future elections in general, not specific to 2020 ollie10 Oct 2017 #90

2020 would be in that calculation wouldn't you say? brush Oct 2017 #126

link? I thought he said that too but can't find it. scipan Oct 2017 #170

Is this yet another in the series? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #35

So fucking what? alarimer Oct 2017 #44

The "team" concept in politics is based on what principles you hold. Demit Oct 2017 #50

Exactly, Being on Team Sanders is still being on a team. FSogol Oct 2017 #55

I've been on to that guy for years. nt LexVegas Oct 2017 #54

Fortunately, the Democrats of Vermont have more sense than the bash-Bernie brigade on DU Jim Lane Oct 2017 #57

Ah, back to the JPR talking points, complete with the intellectual observations R B Garr Oct 2017 #82

I would like to see a Howard Dean or other top Vermont Dem in that Dem primary. Blue_true Oct 2017 #272

Howard Dean is one of those Vermonters who have more sense than the Bernie-bashers Jim Lane Oct 2017 #286

He isn't a friend of the Democratic party moda253 Oct 2017 #60

Bernie Is Good Good Good Good Good For The Democratic Party SeattlePop Oct 2017 #63

No he wouldn't. On what do base that proclamation? George II Oct 2017 #83

Its undeniable that Sanders would have won the general LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #127

As I said, no he wouldn't. George II Oct 2017 #134

Thanks for such detailed links to counter mine and prove your position there George LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #137

Those detailed links were just speculative regarding an election that didn't occur. George II Oct 2017 #139

Exactly. The Trump people had oppo research & campaign points ready to go on Sanders. Demit Oct 2017 #150

You're arguing a hypothetical. JHan Oct 2017 #151

Yes a hypothetical. That is all I can do obviously LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #236

A "Logical conclusion" is based on evidence. JHan Oct 2017 #240

The evidence was in the poll numbers back to back against Trump LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #242

You persist in arguing a hypothetical because it gives you comfort JHan Oct 2017 #243

It is divisive nonsense. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #289

The "divisive" posts against Sanders.. JHan Oct 2017 #290

So you are only reacting as I say I am doing? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #291

like I said.. I won't catalogue the things he has said. JHan Oct 2017 #293

We'll just agree to disagree LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #295

Gee, I wonder if those Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Hillary in the General Election, still_one Oct 2017 #145

By the sounds of some in here I'd wager he'd get that treatment from even DU members LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #238

Capitulated isn't quite what was done. While he did endorse the Democratic nominee, it was still_one Oct 2017 #248

Half-hearted? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #277

He conceded in a very respectful way LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #292

If Sen. Sanders became the candidate somehow. There would have been hell to pay so Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #158

Many Of The People I Know Who Voted For Trump Would Have Voted For Bernie They Said SeattlePop Oct 2017 #166

They said "they didn't like any candidate", but they still voted for the racist, sexist, bigot? I still_one Oct 2017 #249

I don't buy that. I just don't Trump is not like Bernie...most of that sort voted the Russian Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #281

It's Just What They Told Me SeattlePop Oct 2017 #282

Unless they are union guys...who voted for Trump for the trade stuff which Trump lied through his Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #297

As long as he faced no ads against him BainsBane Oct 2017 #235

He was never vetted radical noodle Oct 2017 #237

Banana murielm99 Oct 2017 #143

There is one basis for that claim BainsBane Oct 2017 #230

"He isn't a friend of the Democratic party or at least not until he starts acting like it" LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #86

Well said. Can't say it enough onit2day Oct 2017 #105

LOL JHan Oct 2017 #234

Your argument is demonstrably false BainsBane Oct 2017 #294

Its only all about Bernie when you and others locked in your mindset write about him LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #296

If its not about Bernie individually BainsBane Oct 2017 #298

I appreciate your passion LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #324

And I thought politics was supposed to be about ideas. mjvpi Oct 2017 #66

Ha! Such naivete! hueymahl Oct 2017 #187

i agree with you!!! VaBchTgerLily Oct 2017 #68

In my book.... Cryptoad Oct 2017 #70

You are factually wrong. Anyone can run in the dem prez primary. scipan Oct 2017 #168

not in my book! Cryptoad Oct 2017 #173

Your book only counts for you scipan Oct 2017 #206

Sorry u didnt get it,,,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Oct 2017 #210

tepid? paulkienitz Oct 2017 #71

"Can we get back to supporting DEMOCRATS?" Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #75

I'd rather support progressive ISSUES. scipan Oct 2017 #169

Me, too. Damn good thing our Democrats in our Democratic Party are solid progressives. Right? Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #178

Well said. yardwork Oct 2017 #76

"Of course I am a Democrat and running for the Democratic nomination." -Bernie Sanders, Feb. 2016 ashtonelijah Oct 2017 #78

Makes sense to me LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #97

Sanders was a 'Democrat' when it was beneficial to be a Democrat. kstewart33 Oct 2017 #131

Sanders knows what it takes to get elected in his state. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #80

I'm not asking anyone to support Bernie, but there is a lesson to be learned from him Tobin S. Oct 2017 #84

So the 200,000 or more Democratic voters in each of those states who were unable to vote on the day Ford_Prefect Oct 2017 #85

He had his re-election campaign committee, as an independent, up and running.... George II Oct 2017 #88

As We're Discussing It....His Own Words Me. Oct 2017 #92

Bernie has an allegiance to an ideology. Not The Democratic Party. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2017 #95

Someone is principled. How awful!! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #118

not so much principle as ideological. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2017 #239

i agree...i agree.... i agree....... samnsara Oct 2017 #96

Principles before personalities or labels onit2day Oct 2017 #98

He did not "campaign his butt off" for Hillary. LisaM Oct 2017 #179

I enthusiastically endorse Sanders! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2017 #99

Can we get back to trying to win the next election? whopis01 Oct 2017 #104

. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #125

Leave Bernie alone and be grateful marlakay Oct 2017 #130

Hillary and Bernie both talented, dedicated public servants. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #147

i agree with this comment you made.... i agree with all you said. "was at best tepid" trueblue2007 Oct 2017 #148

.... disillusioned73 Oct 2017 #153

It might turn out for the best. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #160

I heard Tom Hartman say Sen. Sanders should become a Democrat last week...couldn't Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #161

well its an interesting position that a few dems are taking on this. It is an interesting question JCanete Oct 2017 #164

Sanders never quit being an Independent left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #165

+1. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #301

Party affiliation seems to impress some people more than ideas LittleBlue Oct 2017 #167

No, Trump is an international joke. Just about all the other countries out there have had idiot stevenleser Oct 2017 #221

'support does not translate to blind allegience...' scipan Oct 2017 #171

He would be far more influential WITH the party if he were IN the party Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #189

almost like you wished he ran in -General Election- as a I to really split the GE vote. Hillary wou Sunlei Oct 2017 #205

Wow. THAT statement makes ZERO sense. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #253

If Sanders ran in GE as an Independent, he would have been a spoiler & taken votes from Hillary. Sunlei Oct 2017 #259

Thanks for making you thoughts more clear. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #260

and I'm registered as "Indy" to hide my party from -everyone- Sunlei Oct 2017 #198

+1 mountain grammy Oct 2017 #231

and I'll quote the DU Lords, "Fuck Jill Stein" Sunlei Oct 2017 #203

It's not back though BainsBane Oct 2017 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Oct 2017 #244

I want my Democratic candidates to come from the Democratic party Progressive dog Oct 2017 #257

You'll need to change the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College, then. Gore1FL Oct 2017 #270

Why wouldn't he? Gore1FL Oct 2017 #262

WTF? KPN Oct 2017 #263

You said Sanders support in the General was tepid at best. Blue_true Oct 2017 #268

I changed my post because I misunderstood yours. IMO, I 'm amazed at Sanders energy level. Sunlei Oct 2017 #273

Did you read my post. It was about campaign events Bernie did for Hillary. Blue_true Oct 2017 #275

Their campaigns even worked together for several days after primary. They worked WELL Sunlei Oct 2017 #279

Why bring up the past? Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #278

The Russians attacks on our democracy, Republicans who colluded, the presidents 'deals' with any Sunlei Oct 2017 #280

I just read something in our local Vermont paper that said he hasn't decided Vinca Oct 2017 #284

As he has said from the beginning Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #288

What, people are actually surprised? Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #300

Since 2010, the Democratic Party has lost hundreds of downballot seats. YoungDemCA Oct 2017 #302

DU has always and probably always will support politicians like Bernie Sanders. aikoaiko Oct 2017 #307

Its amazing how threads that mention liquid diamond Oct 2017 #309

+1111111 KPN Oct 2017 #326