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relayerbob

(7,084 posts)
51. Looks OK, but ... (pretty long review)
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 03:46 PM
Aug 2023

Not a fan of change for change sake, will take some getting used to, but it appears to have everything there. The layout seems to provide a somewhat better ability to find stuff, maybe.

The large "recs" number wastes space, I don't think I've ever cared about that number, nor ever will, if you want to show it to stroke authors' egos or to be transparent about why something is there, then make it small and immediately after the authors name. It's not really important enough to consume that much prime real estate. Also, too much space between articles in the "Trending" and "Greatest" threads, I'd prefer more than 5 articles and less empty space. My biggest personal complaint about DU is how rapidly things disappear on the "Trending" and "Greatest" threads, especially "trending", which just seems like a device for modern short attention spans, haha (I tend to ignore "trending" stuff on all social media for that reason, just because a lot of people are looking at something *right now* doesn't make it important or useful ... it might be ... but usually not so much). Anyway, I'd make both of those 8-10 items long, and somehow try to make those a little less dynamic, especially the "greatest" thread. Maybe hold the greatest for 12-24 hours or something. I've been called away from the site, only to lose something I was interested in, many times. Also, making a column for stuff of personal interest, such as the excellent rescued cats threads, rather than intermixing them in the "Trending" with things like coups and hurricanes, would be nice. Get rid of the recs number and use that space to add in something like that, and I'd be a happier camper.

I can definitely understand the complaints about white space, in the Light Mode it's just way too much. I like the option for Dark Mode and have turned it on. I would frankly have preferred dark mode as the default, not white, it's just too blinding, and bad for the eyes. But glad to have have that setting.

Also, the font selection, while more "modern", the lines on the letters themselves are narrower and the font size overall quite a bit smaller, so it's harder to read, especially in light mode. Doesn't really scale well when I adjust the scale on my keyboard, it feels like it readjusts the font sizes within the articles to fit a certain size, rather than allow them to size up, so the headlines grow and the pictures grow, but still keeps the fonts too small for my eyes, and the change from four columns to three when scaling up is both jarring and hard to follow, without the benefit of being able to read the articles better. And the amount of white space as one scales gets really bad.

My guess is, young readers will like it more, because their eyes can tolerate it. Older readers (which are probably most of us) are going to have a harder time with it. Again, I'd default to dark mode, and let those who like their pupils shrunken to a pinprick make the change, lol.

The Feed page is interesting, not sure how much I would personally use it, but only time will tell on that.

Left Column and Latest Breaking News are not vertically aligned, and that disturbs my COPD, haha. The Forums section in the middle needs an equivalent header name, like "Left Column" and "Latest Breaking News", to state what the column is being used for.

So, in summary, overall, layout changes are pretty good, but not really necessary. The "Trending now" and "Greatest Threads" are visually, steps in the wrong direction, even if the location is better. The visuals are definitely not an improvement in light mode. The font and font size selection allows more stuff on the screen, but the narrowness of the fonts, coupled with all the whitespace, makes reading the page quite a bit harder. Dark mode helps a lot, but fonts are still too small and way too much dead space in the top half of the screen.

Thanks for woking on it and for giving a wide audience the opportunity to chime in. I know this is difficult work, and impossible to make everyone happy. I do have to say, I don't get why people feel such a need to change things that basically work quite well already.


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Wow - on 1st look cilla4progress Aug 2023 #1
I'm in! William769 Aug 2023 #2
WoW! DU4 is awesome-looking at first glance. CousinIT Aug 2023 #3
Thanks, EarlG! highplainsdem Aug 2023 #4
My Stuff will blink for three reasons EarlG Aug 2023 #11
Thanks! I did see the Posts button lit up when I checked My Stuff just highplainsdem Aug 2023 #19
Well, that'll incentivize me to cancel all my subscriptions. intheflow Aug 2023 #35
They mention... Pluvious Aug 2023 #45
looks like you can customize consider_this Aug 2023 #57
That sounds so much better! intheflow Aug 2023 #69
consider_this is correct EarlG Aug 2023 #84
Thanks! Hadn't noticed that earlier. I switched the notification to a solid color. highplainsdem Aug 2023 #92
You can go to Account Settings and shut off notifications for Subscriptions. But highplainsdem Aug 2023 #79
Changing *new* settings in DU4 Account Settings won't affect DU3 EarlG Aug 2023 #85
Wow! MontanaMama Aug 2023 #71
Wouldnt load at all on a mac os 10.6.8 Blues Heron Aug 2023 #5
It's explained in the second paragraph of the announcement EarlG Aug 2023 #7
Thanks Blues Heron Aug 2023 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author underpants Aug 2023 #6
Great look and feel! Chainfire Aug 2023 #8
Blank screen on iPhone iOS 16.6 Safari browser unc70 Aug 2023 #10
Please see the second paragraph of the announcement EarlG Aug 2023 #12
It looks great wendyb-NC Aug 2023 #13
It is not for me to stand in the way of progress sanatanadharma Aug 2023 #14
Love the fresh clean look! CrispyQ Aug 2023 #15
sorry ... i just don't like change. i have a problem with it & always have Trueblue1968 Aug 2023 #16
I feel the same Marthe48 Aug 2023 #25
I appreciate how you feel. On the upside, our brains get something new to puzzle, and get used to. c-rational Aug 2023 #66
I don't know what your vision disability is... sheshe2 Aug 2023 #102
I've got the brightness turned way down Marthe48 Aug 2023 #103
I used to turn the brightness down, it just made the words dim and fuzzy. sheshe2 Aug 2023 #105
I will bookmark this thread to refer to Marthe48 Aug 2023 #106
It's not easy to change something you're used to EarlG Aug 2023 #86
I never like change. But that is just me as an old person...sigh... Scottie Mom Aug 2023 #17
i don't like change either. i don't want DU to look different. TOO MUCH WHITE. Trueblue1968 Aug 2023 #18
Agree. Scottie Mom Aug 2023 #20
This is the first day of the early access beta test so there are going to be issues EarlG Aug 2023 #22
It'll be interesting to see how many stick with the Skinner Mode Marthe48 Aug 2023 #26
Yes, they are compatible EarlG Aug 2023 #36
canwe stick with the original one... the one we use now ??? Trueblue1968 Aug 2023 #59
If you prefer the old look EarlG Aug 2023 #23
Thanks for the info. Scottie Mom Aug 2023 #48
thank you. i just did that. Trueblue1968 Aug 2023 #60
DU4 has what is called Skinner Mode, which will give you something closer to the format you're used to. Go highplainsdem Aug 2023 #24
Thank you, EarlG and Elad! gademocrat7 Aug 2023 #21
Avatars show up with Default and Night Mode, but not Skinner Mode. highplainsdem Aug 2023 #27
Are you on a phone? EarlG Aug 2023 #37
Tablet. And as I mentioned in reply 19, DU4 has fixed the highplainsdem Aug 2023 #39
Okay I'll take another look at this EarlG Aug 2023 #44
All, judging by this thread. highplainsdem Aug 2023 #47
Ah, do you normally hold the tablet vertically? EarlG Aug 2023 #88
Holding it horizontally doesn't make them appear. I even changed the highplainsdem Aug 2023 #90
Unfortunately I couldn't reproduce the issue EarlG Aug 2023 #94
A Fire tablet. I tried clearing the cache, too, and that didn't make any difference. No problem with sig lines. Just highplainsdem Aug 2023 #95
I've done some digging into this and unfortunately EarlG Aug 2023 #101
It's okay - I don't need to see the avatars, and they show up anyway in highplainsdem Aug 2023 #104
And by "No problem with sig lines" I mean those are visible when I hold the tablet horizontally, then highplainsdem Aug 2023 #96
This is exciting!... Think. Again. Aug 2023 #28
I LOVE the "Friendly forums for passionate Dems" subtitle under Democratic Underground. highplainsdem Aug 2023 #29
If the new AI coding capabilities existed three years ago would it have made creating the new DU Pepsidog Aug 2023 #30
Generative AI, the type that writes code, makes lots of mistakes that have to be highplainsdem Aug 2023 #34
I've never used AI coding assistance... EarlG Aug 2023 #38
Thanks for the response and all you guys do to keep this site running. Hard to imagine the work and Pepsidog Aug 2023 #46
Just opened, love the new look. Prairie_Seagull Aug 2023 #31
I'm old and not very computer savvy..... democrank Aug 2023 #32
Did you contribute by mail? EarlG Aug 2023 #41
The most cursory of results on my iPhone are mostly positive. intheflow Aug 2023 #33
If you're getting the resubmit notice when you hit back EarlG Aug 2023 #42
Hmm. I'm just getting a blank page. Kablooie Aug 2023 #40
Please see the second paragraph of the OP EarlG Aug 2023 #43
thanks! I look forward to playing around with this. First thoughts - looks great! NewHendoLib Aug 2023 #49
So awesome - DU4 is really happening! FakeNoose Aug 2023 #50
Looks OK, but ... (pretty long review) relayerbob Aug 2023 #51
THREE clicks instead of just one to get to the Announcements forum from highplainsdem Aug 2023 #52
Any forum you subscribe to will show up in the left column EarlG Aug 2023 #73
I understand. But I don't want notifications of new threads for every forum I would highplainsdem Aug 2023 #74
Just switched from DU3 to DU4, saw the My Stuff button blinking, and again there highplainsdem Aug 2023 #75
Just discovered I can shut off subscription notifications, and did highplainsdem Aug 2023 #76
im glad the developers kept the legacy nav system and i also like the new nav system AllaN01Bear Aug 2023 #53
Loving it!... Think. Again. Aug 2023 #54
The font is too small for me to easily moonscape Aug 2023 #55
I agree that the font size is much smaller now, and I prefer the original. nt pnwmom Aug 2023 #116
Yes! sagetea Aug 2023 #56
Thank you SO MUCH for the Dark Mode Option !! Pluvious Aug 2023 #58
. Dave in VA Aug 2023 #61
Looks great! Phentex Aug 2023 #62
This is great! AwakeAtLast Aug 2023 #63
It is an amazingly clean look.... sdfernando Aug 2023 #64
I was here for the test site. sheshe2 Aug 2023 #65
I love it too! Phentex Aug 2023 #67
Great on iPad! N/t CousinIT Aug 2023 #68
Looks great canetoad Aug 2023 #70
WOW! Layzeebeaver Aug 2023 #72
Looks good guys ornotna Aug 2023 #77
Thank all of you you for all the hard work LostOne4Ever Aug 2023 #78
Had to switch from Default to Dark Mode. Default is so bright, so much highplainsdem Aug 2023 #80
Are Signatures going away? LostOne4Ever Aug 2023 #81
Signatures aren't going away EarlG Aug 2023 #89
You know what I like, right off the bat? I can recommend someone's post on a thread! That PatrickforB Aug 2023 #82
Is there something comparable to the DU 3 Homepage... 3catwoman3 Aug 2023 #83
The DU home page can be found by EarlG Aug 2023 #87
Thnx. 3catwoman3 Aug 2023 #93
pros and cons consider_this Aug 2023 #91
Skinner Skin... consider_this Aug 2023 #98
Good points. I had a similar reaction. nt pnwmom Aug 2023 #117
NIGHT MODE! Habitation Aug 2023 #97
Font too small for boomer eyes? philly_bob Aug 2023 #99
This issue is a bit curious EarlG Aug 2023 #100
Curious indeed. philly_bob Aug 2023 #128
Curious indeed. philly_bob Aug 2023 #129
For anyone over 40. nt pnwmom Aug 2023 #118
Looks really good. A question. GP6971 Aug 2023 #107
The home page can be reached simply by clicking the site logo at the top of the page EarlG Aug 2023 #108
Thanks!! GP6971 Aug 2023 #109
I'm standing pat with the Skinner-style layout Rocknation Aug 2023 #110
deleting multiple emails! Kali Aug 2023 #111
Yes, that is a plus! highplainsdem Aug 2023 #113
EarlG ............ Upthevibe Aug 2023 #112
Thanks EarlG and Elad AKwannabe Aug 2023 #114
Additionally just found this AKwannabe Aug 2023 #115
Hey, to respond to both posts EarlG Aug 2023 #120
Just discovered Email has a Preview button in DU4! Thank you!!! highplainsdem Aug 2023 #119
The new format seems very workable. I have two requests/suggestions... keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #121
Excess space between paragraphs and posts flamingdem Aug 2023 #122
I have a suggestion Warpy Aug 2023 #123
There is a filter at the top of the list of videos Yonnie3 Aug 2023 #124
Aces Firestorm49 Aug 2023 #125
Rather nice! Only a few minor issues... RainCaster Aug 2023 #126
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