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unc70

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47. Agree. Be very reluctant to remove any groups for 4-6 months
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 07:25 AM
Dec 2011

It will take most of us at least that long to recover from the culture shock of the new version and to reconfigure, "re-"subscribe, and otherwise get back up to speed in this new environment.

Some things I like better, but there are many things from the previous DU that I miss and will need to "find" some equivalent or alternative within the new system, or maybe I just need more experience using DU3 so the new or the different can become the familiar. Unfortunately for me, my personal life and professional obligations are such I have little opportunity for even a quick glance at DU much less to get up to speed as a competent user. Maybe in a couple of months.

Before I can do much of that, I will need to do considerable testing and security auditing to see which, if any, browsers are safe with the new DU and what options and settings should be used. I am optimistic that the new DU will do reasonably well under this testing; prior versions have worked well using very limited browsers that support simple HTML and little more (no scripts, style sheets, plugins, etc.). In the past, Skinner, et al have been careful and avoided the problems that have plagued most sites. I expect nothing less from them going forward. I will be disconsolate if proven wrong.

Not that I haven't whinged about this and that here at DU over the years, most often regarding what I saw as coordinated efforts by other DUers to control, disrupt, limit, and steer discussions regarding candidates or hot topics -- and with what at times seemed misuse of the old Alert system. Somehow for over a decade, DU has continued to be relevant and an important resource for progressives in spite of the worst of our collective and individual behavior, of our emotions overwhelming our civility, of our egos driving us to "win" the argument in discussions, often battling endlessly over nits while distracting others from some important issue -- burying a few insightful posts under an outpouring of drivel. That is why I and so many of you care about what happens here, that those in the MSM and elsewhere look at DU to understand progressives and liberals, and that those wishing to influence what we think, believe, and do are active as DUers in support of their own interests, causes, and candidates. DU matters.

I personally have found DU at its best when researching and explaining some complex news story. Within the DU community on almost any topic, we have multiple members who are experts in its various aspects, who know the places and people involved, and who are incredible researchers on the Net and elsewhere. Plus lots of eyes looking for what is missing: the little-known connections among political, media, and corporate elites; the buried info in corporate financial filings; the nearly forgotten report no longer available on the net but not lost because a DUer had prudently saved a copy; and on and on. WMD. Wall Street. ... DUers have documented so much and so early, it's just frustrating when what most of us already knew has been ignored by nearly everyone else.

Running a large site like DU is challenging at best, a political one even more so. We need a strong and open DU going forward; I hope we have it and that the recent changes make it more effective with greater participation than before.

P.S. Over the years, DU has lost too many of its most-insightful members. Sadly, many have died, their experience, wisdom, and perspectives no longer available. Some others were driven out or were banned from DU because they repeatedly broke the site rules. Several of those who were either banned or who quit posting for other reasons had been among the best informed and most articulate in support of controversial positions here on DU. Most of them ran afoul of rules regarding personal attacks and such. In some cases, those banned appeared to have been targeted by DUers with opposing views who deliberately attempted to provoke an inappropriate response in order to get the target DUer banned. (While hardly at that level, I avoided several obvious attempts to provoke me; I was careful and lucky not to rise to the bait.) Those most emotional regarding some issue are probably also those most likely to get caught up in debating that subject and not notice the risk from how their responses might appear to outsiders. In almost every instance, those who were most cynical have now been proven right, many who ridiculed them have now been exposed as frauds and provocateurs.

In a couple of cases, there were posts at RW web sites bragging about how someone RW had infiltrated DU and then gotten some prominent DUer banned from DU. The new jury system should greatly reduce (eliminate?) the extra power of certain volunteer moderators over the last few years. Still possible, but much harder now to "game" the system with a few like-minded volunteers able to expel their opponents. It will be interesting to see how the dynamic "jury" handling alerts will change the culture at DU, how it might influence individual postings, and how it should keep any group from becoming dominant at DU. (From the rules, I suppose that longtime members that post regularly, thus likely jurors, will become the new target identities for groups hoping for power and control at DU. Hope enough of the safeguards work to thwart any such efforts.)

In light of the New DU and the new paradigm for moderation/jury, I wish at least a few of those who are now banned or discouraged could work with the DU Admins to rejoin and again enrich our community, The New DU. Now more than ever, we need everyone. It is solely the decision of the DU Admins, and I believe should only be considered after 3-6 months using the new system and working out any unexpected issues from using the juries. We need more that brings us together, less that drives us apart. We, not me or you.

Did Gardening get deleted? WhiteTara May 2011 #1
Currently it has 75 subscribers. Skinner May 2011 #3
Good, I need to subscribe, but just logged in. I love the gardening group. juajen Dec 2011 #36
Views AND Posts. I hope you will consider views on a Group as well as posts when making the patricia92243 May 2011 #2
We will consider many factors when deciding what to delete. Skinner May 2011 #4
I say get rid of the photo group Lochloosa Dec 2011 #5
Here is your evil grin ellisonz Dec 2011 #6
HEY! handmade34 Dec 2011 #7
Sports should be one catch-all group OKNancy Dec 2011 #8
Agreed. ellisonz Dec 2011 #10
There is a catch-all group Skinner Dec 2011 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Dec 2011 #9
Better idea. ellisonz Dec 2011 #11
Proposal for Topics Consolidation ellisonz Dec 2011 #13
That's a good proposal. Skinner Dec 2011 #14
Thank you Skinner. ellisonz Dec 2011 #15
Careful now Hutzpa Dec 2011 #17
The tubes are clogging! The tubes are clogging! ellisonz Dec 2011 #19
I'd take the opposite approach. The more the better, but offer a simplification. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #16
Wouldn't that be a little too... ellisonz Dec 2011 #18
There should be a "view all" option that overrides "ignore group". HopeHoops Dec 2011 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Dec 2011 #21
Hi, Skinner. I was hoping for a new Buddhism group. I'd be happy to host. oxymoron Dec 2011 #22
Remind me in a few days. Skinner Dec 2011 #23
Cool! Thanks! n/t oxymoron Dec 2011 #24
Hi Skinner, you wanted me to remind you of the Buddhism group that I had proposed. oxymoron Dec 2011 #54
Hi Skinner, just checking in. oxymoron Jan 2012 #61
good suggestion....thanks MindMover Dec 2011 #45
this one should be deleted. there is only one thread and its about deleting it La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #25
I agree. William769 Dec 2011 #26
I was just about to post this here. racaulk Dec 2011 #41
Hey skinner oldhippydude Dec 2011 #27
You might be interested in this discussion: ellisonz Dec 2011 #30
Here's a suggestion David jschurchin Dec 2011 #28
Suggestion for a new forum Nancy Waterman Dec 2011 #29
Definitely consolidate Baseball and Football into Sports... Auggie Dec 2011 #31
Agree trumad Dec 2011 #32
I disagree -- Football has been more active in DU3 than it ever was in DU2 fishwax Dec 2011 #34
Sports are seasonal. ellisonz Dec 2011 #39
true, but there'd been less than 20 posts since the start of the 2010 season on the old DU fishwax Dec 2011 #40
Agree El Supremo Dec 2011 #43
Hoping the Cancer Support Group can stay maddezmom Dec 2011 #33
Let's delete the College Republicans group. Mister Ed Dec 2011 #35
Irish Affairs is probably a waste of bandwidth Maeve Dec 2011 #37
Support groups needs some more groups - Drug & Alcohol, child abuse, abused spouse, etc. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #38
I'd still like a Fractals, Mandelbrot, and Julia sets group. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #42
I say leave all the groups and add more MindMover Dec 2011 #44
Agree. Be very reluctant to remove any groups for 4-6 months unc70 Dec 2011 #47
Yes, Yes, YES Viva_La_Revolution Dec 2011 #49
I hope the Jewish group won't be removed. Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #46
As long as we keep the state groups and the science group I'm fine usregimechange Dec 2011 #48
I would hope the Cancer Support, Disaility and Chronic Chronic Conditions and support groups remain. Irishonly Dec 2011 #50
Delete the I/P group and allow discussion of Israeli/Palestinian issues in the main forums oberliner Dec 2011 #51
We allow it when there is big news. Skinner Dec 2011 #52
BAD idea. Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #57
Please do not get rid of the Atheist and Agnostic group... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2011 #53
I can't imagine that happening JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #64
Sibel Edmonds and Other Whistleblowers RZM Dec 2011 #55
2 points Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2011 #56
Defiantly keep the Canada Group. Am in MN.& want to know what is going on there. Friends there. glinda Dec 2011 #60
Combine the following: Neoma Dec 2011 #58
Sorry to be off topic - but where does one go to truedelphi Dec 2011 #59
Help & Meta-discussion n/t Chan790 Jan 2012 #63
Spam deleted by ornotna (MIR Team) bcxfx Jan 2012 #62
Please donot delete the Addiction & Recovery group. Tripod Jan 2012 #65
I want to run against Michele Bachmann MarilynC Jan 2012 #66
Hi Marilyn & Welcome to DU! MH1 Jan 2012 #67
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