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36. Like you, it is hard to accept that Trump reality

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:00 PM

Dec 2016

I have tried to figure out the impact on this and really am pretty uncertain.

I do know that Kerry - and likely earlier Americans - have managed to convince Europe and the world NOT to take various actions against Israel. Respect for Kerry led France in particular to moderate its reactions to things. I really doubt that Rex Tillerson will either gain that respect or that level of influence.

Yet, America is a strong nation and has a UN veto. I seriously doubt that Jared or anyone associated with Trump could have any impact furthering peace. It has always been said that even with Kerry and Mitchell that the US is too close to the US and is thus not the honest broker - even though Kerry worked hard to be accepted by both sides. Trump has no diplomatic skills and he equates that to doing real estate deals which frankly are not the same. In that case, both want a sale - the question is just the price and terms.

I think this will lead to other countries trying to broker peace - with teh US hurting rather than helping. However, I do not think that Netanyahu COULD accept a peace deal even if he wanted - - over half of his cabinet are against a two state solution and his primary goal is to stay in power. No mediator can tailor a solution when either side things they can do better by not settling. Unfortunately, both cases are unwilling to settle thinking time is on their side.

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U.S. declines to veto U.N. Security Council resolution for Israel to stop Jewish settlement activity [View all] BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 OP

U.N. Resolution Condemning Israeli Settlements Is Approved; U.S. Abstains. elleng Dec 2016 #1

Samantha Powers is giving an incredibly good speech explaining the US position karynnj Dec 2016 #2

Watching... YvonneCa Dec 2016 #4

I agree and Kerry's Saban talk made a very strong case against the settlements karynnj Dec 2016 #7

I saw the Saban talk. Kerry was very... YvonneCa Dec 2016 #10

At one point Fabius, who was the French Foreign Minister, wanted to make a resolution karynnj Dec 2016 #20

I agree on Trump. I'm still finding... YvonneCa Dec 2016 #27

Like you, it is hard to accept that Trump reality karynnj Dec 2016 #36

Don-the-Con's head will explode... anxiously awaiting the next tweet-storm groundloop Dec 2016 #3

Trump doensn't know ANYTHING about ANY issue.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #12

So easy to grow that spine when you've got nothing else to lose eh? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #5

As Jonathan Alter noted, this resolution simply calls on Isreal to keep the promises it made. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #6

Good news. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #8

I bet we get out of the UN yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #16

A lot of Republicans do. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #40

I don't think we'll get out. But I can see a 50% funding cut. n/t Calista241 Dec 2016 #131

Good point yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #132

I'm not in love with the UN Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #133

I am deeply disappointed with President Obama. tritsofme Dec 2016 #9

How is it a "betrayal" to ask them to do what they said they'd do? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #13

Asking them to not violate human rights laws is so cruel geek tragedy Dec 2016 #18

Thought the Betrayal Was Netenyahu Walking Away from 2 State Solution TomCADem Dec 2016 #19

Interesting point. elmac Dec 2016 #43

The Palestinians refuse to negotiate Mosby Dec 2016 #84

How can Russia condemn Israel's occupation while annexing the Ukraine? oberliner Dec 2016 #111

How Can Republicans Complain About the Deficit or Hillary's Alleged Conflicts... TomCADem Dec 2016 #117

Indeed lots of UN member states are run by hypocrites and liars oberliner Dec 2016 #118

Please find a copy of Samantha Power's excellent speech karynnj Dec 2016 #22

Oh I read it, and still don't agree with her attempt to justify this. tritsofme Dec 2016 #26

Salon - Sheldon Adelson runs Israel: Benjamin Netanyahu, GOP TomCADem Dec 2016 #33

It is ridiculous that you say that Trump baited him into it karynnj Dec 2016 #41

All of the growth is within existing settlements Mosby Dec 2016 #83

Not true at all - even Netanyahu does not claim that karynnj Dec 2016 #86

She doesn't say that the growth was outside the blocks, just that it's been accelerating. Mosby Dec 2016 #89

Travesty? it is a great thing Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #67

Uh.. hibbing Dec 2016 #24

Totally. We should exterminate those nuisance Palestinians wanting a place to live hassle free. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #42

I take it you support the single state solution? Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #47

Nonsense. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #51

I am deeply proud of President Obama. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #63

I'm disappointed too. Obama should have shut off all military aid to them too. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #126

Hours ago: Fatah (ruling Palestinian party) celebrates terrorist attacks LittleBlue Dec 2016 #11

"They don't want to coexist with people who desire their death." Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #14

Go look at the polling of people in the Palestinian territories. Madness is widespread LittleBlue Dec 2016 #29

I agree with Carter on this. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #49

Can you expound? LittleBlue Dec 2016 #53

One word: Apartheid Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #59

Carter: "Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment of all citizens whether Arab or Jew" oberliner Dec 2016 #61

Hmm? Alittleliberal Dec 2016 #127

Funny thing about reading that quote while skimming the titles Lokilooney Dec 2016 #55

The government of Israel has used fear to remain hard core right wing for far too long. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #62

Israel is much more liberal than the US Mosby Dec 2016 #85

Maybe you should check out what's going on in the occupied territories.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #88

That map is fake, your peddling in propaganda. Mosby Dec 2016 #90

LOL!!! You honestly believe Israel is SHRINKING? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #92

Yes, it's history. Mosby Dec 2016 #94

That's pre-Israel. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #99

How about when Israel gave up the Sinai to Egypt oberliner Dec 2016 #107

Spoils of war? Seriously? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #123

A few questions for you about those maps oberliner Dec 2016 #109

I'll answer since Spitfire is being quiet. appal_jack Dec 2016 #122

Israelis should stay on their own fucking land if they geek tragedy Dec 2016 #17

The Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem should be off-limits to Israelis? oberliner Dec 2016 #23

West Bank should be off-limits to the IDF. nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #25

Not arguing with that oberliner Dec 2016 #28

Israel controls the whole city and is unwilling to let geek tragedy Dec 2016 #30

And before that, it was controlled by Jordan and Jews were expelled oberliner Dec 2016 #34

We can debate Geneva Initiative, but we don't have tanks nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #39

Political pressure can sometimes be more powerful than tanks oberliner Dec 2016 #44

you know MFM008 Dec 2016 #31

Seems like killing Muslims is a bigger F you to the Islamic world oberliner Dec 2016 #35

It's about far more than the Jewish Quarter of the old city muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #76

The Jewish Quarter is of great significance oberliner Dec 2016 #77

It's not the Israelis who have a problem coexisting LittleBlue Dec 2016 #32

Pay no attention to that armed occupation and de facto apartheid geek tragedy Dec 2016 #38

Arabs are 20.7% of Israelis citizens LittleBlue Dec 2016 #54

The West Bank is a de facto apartheid state. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #60

Yes, the West Bank is basically an open air prison of non-voters LittleBlue Dec 2016 #101

Exactly the rationale of the Afrikaaners. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #103

Oh, so you think you've figured it out? Then explain Germany and France. LittleBlue Dec 2016 #106

Vast majority of European Muslims aren't radicalized. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #112

Neither are the vast majority of Palestinian Muslims oberliner Dec 2016 #113

I must start with an apology here, since I didn't address your comments about Afrikaners LittleBlue Dec 2016 #115

Not content to endorse apartheid redux in Palestine, geek tragedy Dec 2016 #120

Great post Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #46

Because their ultimate goal isn't peace LittleBlue Dec 2016 #56

So you honestly believe Arabs want to kill Jews? Violet_Crumble Dec 2016 #65

How about this ugly bigotry Mosby Dec 2016 #87

It has little to do with belief LittleBlue Dec 2016 #95

What are the respective faiths of Bosnians and Serbs? geek tragedy Dec 2016 #125

So, your take is that Islam itself is the real enemy that geek tragedy Dec 2016 #66

No. There are several peaceful sects of Islam LittleBlue Dec 2016 #96

Sunnis are 85-90% of all Muslims. 10-15% are Shia. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #98

The Sunnis could fix the problem fairly easily LittleBlue Dec 2016 #102

Gelleresque. nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #104

Hiteresque. LittleBlue Dec 2016 #108

Rancid bigotry towards all Muslims won't make Jews any safer nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #110

So this justifies ethnic cleansing of occupied territories? TomCADem Dec 2016 #82

Definitely not. nt LittleBlue Dec 2016 #97

Sharia? Uh, Israel has Sharia courts Violet_Crumble Dec 2016 #69

The majority are opposed LittleBlue Dec 2016 #72

"Americans are not genocidal or supportive of terrorism. " BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #73

Oh look, articles from the distant past and Trump LittleBlue Dec 2016 #81

trump supporters will claim they aren't racist also JI7 Dec 2016 #116

At the risk of minimizing racism and intolerance LittleBlue Dec 2016 #119

many of them think it's ok to kill innocent black people as seen by the white juries that refuse to JI7 Dec 2016 #128

Sorry but having the power to enforce any racism/bigotry IS terrorism BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #130

Oh look BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #129

over 40 percent did vote for trump JI7 Dec 2016 #100

Long time no see oberliner Dec 2016 #80

Let's take a look at the Pew study (2013) Mosby Dec 2016 #91

How does that make sense? TheHak Dec 2016 #105

Antisemitism has nothing to do with semites oberliner Dec 2016 #114

My only disappointment philosslayer Dec 2016 #15

this Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #68

We should appreciate the last eight years because it will be a still_one Dec 2016 #21

Very much appreciate the last 8 years, stillone.. Cha Dec 2016 #50

The deep, deep irony ymetca Dec 2016 #37

Yes, the Israeli lobby + evilgelicals elmac Dec 2016 #45

Bibi may have screwed himself moondust Dec 2016 #48

I think you are right -- because part of the US ability to protect Israel has been the respect karynnj Dec 2016 #93

The situation moondust Dec 2016 #121

Thank you President Obama! pandora nm Dec 2016 #52

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I hear the Orange Hair Brain isn't pleased. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #58

Great news!! Thank you President Obama! 36 years too late but still, a win is a win. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #64

Russia voted for this oberliner Dec 2016 #70

kick Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #71

Good. n/t Little Tich Dec 2016 #74

Bravo. n/t MBS Dec 2016 #75

Trump sees West Bank as opportunity B C Butler Dec 2016 #78

Thanks Obama! Every little bit helps! harun Dec 2016 #79

Interesting development, possibly a rapid rebuke? ucrdem Dec 2016 #124