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92. "the capitalist system is still there so there is no socialism"

Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:29 PM

Jul 2018

This is frustrating. Americans even on here it seems, think it must be one or the other. When most successful and wealthier countries use a mixed system. As does the US. Its just that they lag behind other nations in some areas, notably healthcare and things like materiny leave. That is what Democratic Socialism is. Capitalists and entrepreneurs still control the means of production, they still control most of the financial wealth in the country. But for things that are 'essential' like the military, police, schools, postal services, and a few more, it makes more sense to fund them in a socialist way. One is for the cost savings of ordering supplies, and hiring from a centralized system, as well as the logistical advantage of keeping standards the same across the board and sharing costs and bureaucracies. The same SHOULD be true for taking care of your citizens medical needs as well. If there is any 'essential' service it would seem to be medical.

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California Democratic Party Snubs Feinstein and Endorses Kevin De Leon [View all] RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 OP

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #1

I dunno RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #2

While I wouldn't phrase it quite like that, I agree. sandensea Jul 2018 #3

Hear, hear. BadgerMom Jul 2018 #56

what is the point of endorsements if you are just assumed to go with the incumbent always. JCanete Jul 2018 #90

Still voting for her Iliyah Jul 2018 #4

Me, too. N/t wryter2000 Jul 2018 #79

... skylucy Jul 2018 #5

A proven track record is something that needs to be considered, pazzyanne Jul 2018 #6

It is shame, and I suspect those behind this have NO IDEA what Feinstein has done, or even cares still_one Jul 2018 #11

Good for you, still_one! pazzyanne Jul 2018 #81

I know this thread is from yesterday, but the more I think about the skylucy Jul 2018 #96

I agree with you lucy. I could have bought them not endorsing anyone, but this is just pure "our still_one Jul 2018 #99

Just when you need her to be enthusiastic in opposing Kavanaugh. Dumb. nm mr_liberal Jul 2018 #7

DiFi will be VERY vocal against Kavanaugh. yes. she. will. riversedge Jul 2018 #88

why would she be less enthusiastic about opposing him? nt JCanete Jul 2018 #91

Time to pass the Torch aeromanKC Jul 2018 #8

Perhaps you should be focusing on Wisconsin instead of California, since it appears your favoritr still_one Jul 2018 #10

Actually, we all should focus on WI and FL, MO, WV, MT, MI, OH, NV, IN just to name a few aeromanKC Jul 2018 #26

You realize the De Leon and Feinstein see eye to eye on 99% of the issues, so the assumption that still_one Jul 2018 #32

While you have a point, I donate to candidates in states, other than my own. 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #70

No way will that happen. "Pass the torch" and thus ignoring your best interests makes no sense. wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #69

To quote an old phrase: "It is never a good idea to switch horses in mid-stream!" pazzyanne Jul 2018 #83

It's never a good idea to try to ride the same horse across an ocean nolabels Jul 2018 #103

As long as that horse is productive, I have no problem going with experience. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #105

Living in a cave was also a good idea at one time. nolabels Jul 2018 #106

I am so sick and tired of the bullshit bashing that Feinstein takes from people who I suspect have still_one Jul 2018 #9

I don't know. rusty quoin Jul 2018 #12

Are you from California? still_one Jul 2018 #13

Lived there a bit in the 90s rusty quoin Jul 2018 #16

Not to sound rude, but us living in California will decide in November who we want as our Senator still_one Jul 2018 #27

You bet rusty quoin Jul 2018 #29

Yes, I agree, we will. She will have my vote. Again. Silver Gaia Jul 2018 #62

I really don't understand this geographical parochialism. Jim Lane Jul 2018 #89

what are socialists doing ? there is no socialism in california JI7 Jul 2018 #15

Not yet rusty quoin Jul 2018 #17

there won't ever be socialism in california JI7 Jul 2018 #18

You kidding? rusty quoin Jul 2018 #19

not even close to it. JI7 Jul 2018 #24

The Democratic Party is based on socialism rusty quoin Jul 2018 #21

no it's not. JI7 Jul 2018 #25

Social Security? rusty quoin Jul 2018 #30

social security is not socialism JI7 Jul 2018 #31

Yeah it is rusty quoin Jul 2018 #33

It's funny to me that you argue about that rusty quoin Jul 2018 #34

no, it's not socialism JI7 Jul 2018 #35

What is it then? Capitalism? rusty quoin Jul 2018 #36

it's a safety net JI7 Jul 2018 #38

That's socialism rusty quoin Jul 2018 #39

no it's not. it's funded through mainly a capitalist system JI7 Jul 2018 #41

Who are you? It is a system created through the government to work with the capitalist rusty quoin Jul 2018 #43

yes, so the capitalist system is still there so there is no socialism JI7 Jul 2018 #47

Why are you so afraid of socialism rusty quoin Jul 2018 #48

no, socialism has to do with control of means of production . high taxes and safety net programs JI7 Jul 2018 #51

That is Communism. There are many examples of good socialism in Europe. rusty quoin Jul 2018 #52

which examples are those ? JI7 Jul 2018 #53

All of them. You need a list? They are left of Belarus. rusty quoin Jul 2018 #54

"the capitalist system is still there so there is no socialism" LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #92

It's like who am I talking to? rusty quoin Jul 2018 #40

What is it? rusty quoin Jul 2018 #37

Social security is a social insurance program as defined and as regulated by statute. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #42

Through the federal government rusty quoin Jul 2018 #45

So? lapucelle Jul 2018 #49

Huh? rusty quoin Jul 2018 #50

OK, got it. You're arguing that the Democratic Party is based on social security lapucelle Jul 2018 #55

No rusty quoin Jul 2018 #57

Huh? lapucelle Jul 2018 #58

exactly, with that one can say Republicans are socialists because they support spending on military JI7 Jul 2018 #59

Queen Elizabeth is socialism! lapucelle Jul 2018 #60

The Democratic Party is "based on" social security? lapucelle Jul 2018 #46

I'm with you! roscoeroscoe Jul 2018 #65

The party should not endorse in a Dem vs Dem contest, but I'm tempted to vote for DeLeon RandySF Jul 2018 #14

That was a mistake. She will probably still win, although by a more narrow margin. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #20

I'm still voting for DiFi Raine Jul 2018 #22

Just today she announced her plan to question SCOTUS candidate. BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #23

That is what I like to hear. rusty quoin Jul 2018 #28

McCaskill will still win by landslide Nero Mero Jul 2018 #44

McCaskill is running for Senator in California? Who knew? George II Jul 2018 #74

My Mother is LittleGirl Jul 2018 #61

Voters will soon decide Nero Mero Jul 2018 #63

Sigh. MBS Jul 2018 #64

The state Democratic Party does not go into the voting booth with people. wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #66

Go, California! BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #67

Ah, Sweet Suicide Drake Notthesinger Jul 2018 #68

Oh, don't worry dear Party Faithful, Le Taz Hot Jul 2018 #71

Oh, you're back to' poke the hive' again. revmclaren Jul 2018 #77

From July 5th: Feinstein won't seek California Democratic Party endorsement PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #72

In California the voters chose Progressive dog Jul 2018 #73

I'm pretty old, but 85? Six more years? I have to question some of her motivation. TryLogic Jul 2018 #75

Why I don't like Di Cartoonist Jul 2018 #76

I see no problems with this. Scruffy1 Jul 2018 #98

The party should not pick a candidate in the primary. idahoblue Jul 2018 #78

The California senate primary was back in June. This endorsement is for the actual election... PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #85

This will boost turnout in November and that will help in congressional races! 4139 Jul 2018 #80

Agreed. And a younger candidate gets his name out there and the experience of the campaign Arazi Jul 2018 #94

My family, friends and I will be proud revmclaren Jul 2018 #82

As a Californian, I think this is utterly stupid and outrageous karin_sj Jul 2018 #84

When Senator Feinstein said Trump could be a good president I was apoplectic DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #86

Passing the torch to a younger generation? left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #87

I love Feinstein, but the Senate seat is six years... she is 85.... just a thought. secondwind Jul 2018 #93

and the new governor will get to appoint a new senator Retrograde Jul 2018 #95

Between this endorsement and Ocasio's support for challengers Retrograde Jul 2018 #97

DiFi won by a supermajory, won EVERY district, even De Leon's obamanut2012 Jul 2018 #100

Good luck with CA Dem fundraising after this big foot fiasco. nt oasis Jul 2018 #101

How about, we vote out anyone who has a net worth of more than $100k? They don't seem to understand Meadowoak Jul 2018 #102

Good that they work together- they are both Ds and win/lose we need them UNITED. Sunlei Jul 2018 #104