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Igel

(36,004 posts)
5. Two big factors.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:28 PM
Jul 2024

Yeah, those US long-time residents who didn't get their kids vaccinated. Those fall into two groups: Those opposed to vaccinations and those who simply didn't because of cost or accessibility or awareness.

Don't know "what's out there" these days, but when I was much younger and in a different state those opposed to vaccinations fell into three groups: those opposed for religious reasons and usually on the right or other (quasi)ideological, often "health" related, reasons and often on the left. Sort of an argument from bodily autonomy--"I control my body and am responsible for my kid's bodies, and the state will not tell me what I must do". (We can argue that there's a social responsibility to be imposed on others, right? While I like my own values on the matter and dislike other's values, values are personal but compulsion is societal.)

Then there's the other large reason actually cited in the OP:

the largest of which took off at a migrant shelter in Chicago in March and was linked to more than 60 cases


Note Chicago isn't a deep red bit of the US. And while this year's figures are 3x last year's, that one outbreak accounts for pretty much 1/3 of that or half the increase. Dispose of that one event and we're "just" double last year's figures.

A lot of countries have had vaccination campaigns and some report very high vaccination rates--but they also report very high rates of corruption. And in some countries they have Muslim fundies and CTers that are convinced that vaccinations are a Western anti-Muslim sterilization attempt. Where you find Muslim insurgencies you find such fairly often and it's not surprising that strains of polio that surface in Nigeria, Mali, Pakistan and Afghanistan are all genetically the same. This means that some immigrants, Muslim or otherwise--the percentage is not likely to be incredibly high over all, but ultimately it's an empirical question I haven't seen answered--will not be vaccinated. Why does this matter for the current US measle incidence?

declining vaccination rates in the U.S. and a rise in measles cases worldwide.


More measles in other countries + travel between countries (from there to here or just round trip) translates into greater incidence here.
If you are older you can have your titers checked. I did that and got another vaccine mucifer Jul 2024 #1
Mine were too, 64 here EastBayGuy Jul 2024 #20
Correlation with red states? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #2
Two big factors. Igel Jul 2024 #5
No correlation with blue or red. former9thward Jul 2024 #6
Thanks. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #11
That map is from 5 months ago in February BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #13
That Chicago outbreak makes Illinois stand out in that map. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #14
Thanks, still no correlation between blue and red. former9thward Jul 2024 #15
There are antivaxxers anywhere, plenty in blue states and cities too IronLionZion Jul 2024 #9
Anti-vaxx bastards. Aristus Jul 2024 #3
Who are you talking about? former9thward Jul 2024 #7
The Venn diagram of anti-vaxxers and anti-choicers Aristus Jul 2024 #8
The map shown in #6 does not indicate any correlation. former9thward Jul 2024 #10
The map is meaningless in proving/disproving correlation Mysterian Jul 2024 #16
Then where is the evidence this is correlated with anti-vax idiots? former9thward Jul 2024 #17
It's called "science." Mysterian Jul 2024 #18
Ahh, this is not about whether vaccines work. former9thward Jul 2024 #19
Once again, children get the shit end of the stick. Sick fucking bastards. twodogsbarking Jul 2024 #4
Anti-vax people and anti-vax propaganda in social JCMach1 Jul 2024 #12
Immigration and tourism could be a factor for some states EastBayGuy Jul 2024 #21
It matches what happened when COVID jumped over to the U.S. BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #22
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