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BumRushDaShow

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Fri Sep 6, 2024, 07:13 AM
Sep 6
I see where our misalignment is now

You’re taking an archaic view of tech as an industry rather than as the capability that powers everything.


When it comes to data-driven stats, that assessment is too "subjective" and is nearly unquantifiable, nor trackable in a meaningful way because it is not unlike saying "electricity powers everything" (as a utility).

The Tech Sector has multiple components - "hardware", "software", "support services", and each of these requires specially-trained subject-matter dependent, employees. But because tech is never "static", the types and numbers of employees needed will fluctuate in "waves", and that is obviously an issue. E.g., "Oracle DBAs" used to be "a thing".

Everyone is a tech company now. Walmart, GM, etc. A lot of services are for tech implementation, and so on.


There is a difference between "implementation" and "designing, testing, manufacturing (re: hardware), and releasing". The "implementation" part is done by the consumers (whether businesses or individuals) who buy the product or service.

And AI is definitely a bubble but far from bursting. When it does, it will get even worse.


It seems to have "burst" for Meta. Ask Zuckerberg! This whole "AI" thing is like a rebranding of already-existing tech (but obviously updated) like Siri or Alexa or even this guy -



It's almost meaningless hype, which is why it bubbled.

Go on LinkedIn and look at posts by various people about their experience in the labor market. Layoffs are common, it’s taking 6+ months to find jobs that pay 40% less than what folks were making 5 years ago,, and that’s with prices being 50% higher, companies are demanding pointless relocations and “return to office” in astronomically expensive cities like NY and the Bay Area, and so on.


It always HAS been that way in this country - particularly for certain fields. When I came out of college, it was in the Raygun recession - and with a degree in chemistry. Going from pharma company to pharma company (in an area where "big pharma" was king, including GSK, McNeil, Rohm & Haas, Warner-Lambert, etc). I took a job subbing for the Philly school district for almost a year before finally getting a job with the federal government with pay about 20% less than the mean starting salary for a chemist just out of school in the area, but at least it was a job. The next "youngest" person in my lab/office at the time was 15 years older than me.

In general, without more apprenticeships and internships that will lead to an offer, the idiotic process out of college for an applicant, where companies demand "experience" (but where no one can get "experience" unless someone hires them), continues.

This isn’t something the government has caused. But it’s something the government needs to address.


Welcome to America. It's not new.

What needs to be done, which is some of what the Biden Administration IS actually doing, is to address that need to supplement academic training with apprenticeships, which can provide much-needed "experience" demanded by employers (below published July 11, 2024) -

News Release

Biden-Harris administration awards over $244M to modernize, diversify, expand Registered Apprenticeships in growing industries


Department of Labor makes largest combined investment in learn-and-earn workforce model

WASHINGTON – The Biden-Harris administration is today making the largest combined federal investment in Registered Apprenticeships as the Department of Labor awards more than $244 million through two grant programs to help modernize, diversify and expand the Registered Apprenticeship system in growing U.S. industries.

The investments are part of the Biden-Harris administration’s Investing in America agenda, which is rebuilding the middle class and increasing opportunities for underrepresented populations to enter in-demand occupations and careers that offer family-supporting wages. Acting Secretary Julie Su and White House Domestic Policy Advisor Neera Tanden announced the historic investments in Registered Apprenticeships today at the Pennsylvania College of Technology in Williamsport, Pennsylvania.

Nearly $195 million will come through the second round of grant funding under the Apprenticeship Building America initiative, which supports public-private partnerships designed to serve a range of industries and individuals. The program will help expand the use of Registered Apprenticeships across in-demand fields, such as K-12 education, clean energy, IT and cybersecurity, advanced manufacturing, supply chain, hospitality, care economy and public-sector occupations.

(snip)


As a note, I grew up with "tech" because my dad was a Computer Programmer (COBOL) for the federal government for 20 years before he passed away 50 years ago this year. He had done it since the mid-'50s and would take me and my sisters to his office every once in awhile, where at the time, almost the entire first floor of his building housed a mainframe, in a special air-conditioned room on raised floors, and included mag tape machines, giant punch card readers, and keypunch machines, etc.
As always, the Fed can never gage what is happening in the economy until well AFTER it happens lapfog_1 Sep 5 #1
"We are sliding into "recession" territory." BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #3
Thanks. Agreed. And, continue to be surprised stopdiggin Sep 5 #6
It's an artifact of past practices and their unfortunate aftermath BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #7
couldn't agree more. and what concerns me further is that this stopdiggin Sep 5 #9
Needless to say I don't share your optimizing. lapfog_1 Sep 5 #18
For some bizarre reason BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #21
Fed should cut .50 not .25. Make a statement & then hold for results. oldsoftie Sep 5 #2
Remember... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 5 #4
This report is done based on companies that subscribe (and provide data) to ADP BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #8
I'm not aligned BrianTheEVGuy Sep 5 #17
The "tech sector" has always been the victim of "bubbles", particularly over the past 3 decades BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #19
Not really accurate BrianTheEVGuy Sep 5 #20
It undergirds the economy with its use across different sectors BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #22
I see where our misalignment is now BrianTheEVGuy Sep 5 #23
To reply BumRushDaShow Sep 6 #24
It's different from the 80s or even the 00s BrianTheEVGuy Sep 6 #26
Again to reply BumRushDaShow Sep 6 #28
Ugh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 6 #29
Your entire discourse in this subthread BumRushDaShow Sep 6 #30
Lower interest rates already!!! JFC! They are waiting for a recession??? LymphocyteLover Sep 5 #5
It was inevitable, I was hoping for after the election IronLionZion Sep 5 #10
So far, the ADP numbers have been miles apart from the DOL ones BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #11
142,000 from BLS this morning IronLionZion Sep 6 #25
Yup BumRushDaShow Sep 6 #27
The ADP numbers cover only about 20% of the nation's private workforce progree Sep 5 #12
It's a common misunderstanding since they measure different things that sound similar IronLionZion Sep 5 #14
Nothing like squelching business with ultra high interest rates WhiteTara Sep 5 #13
"Nothing like squelching business with ultra high interest rates" BumRushDaShow Sep 5 #15
This was the Fed's plan, right? maxsolomon Sep 5 #16
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