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In reply to the discussion: August private payrolls rose by 99,000, smallest gain since 2021 and far below estimates, ADP says [View all]BumRushDaShow
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It's different from the 80s or even the 00s
It's not different.
Back in the Reagan days, a new car was $3K and a house was $50K. In 2004 a new car was $18K and a house was $150K. In 2024 a new car is around $50K and a house is $500K.
What? Are you kidding?
In 1968, my parents bought their 2nd house here in Philly - a semi-detached (twin, with no garage) for $12K. Some new construction single story (detached) ranchers (which are rare here in the city) about 4 years later, were going for $15K - this was early '70s.
During the '80s, the only houses here near that $50K price were 2-story, 3 bedroom/1 bath row homes with 10-ft fronts that were averaging $39K. Everything else was running in the $125K range.
And I wish a new car was $3k back then. I bought a USED low mileage (had about 9,000 miles on it), 1978 4-cylinder, no air, no power steering car (from a neighbor) in '86 for $1k (as a favor since it was the neighbor's aunt's car that he was trying to get rid of after she passed away). My first "new" car in '88 (an '89 Chevy sedan model) was like $16,000 with 8% interest rates.
In 2005, when I bought my next new car (a compact SUV), the average price of a sedan was a whopping $26,000 (e.g., I remember I saw the small Chevy Malibus going for that price). I was able to get my Ford Escape for about that after I traded in my then-almost 16 year old Chevy sedan, with incentives and whatnot.
The "$150K house" was that same row house here, except once the idiots who were going around "flipping" houses after gutting them, (and gentrifying neighborhoods), put some up for sale. None of these were "single" (detached) homes on a lot. They are 60 houses per block (30 on each side of the street). The "semi-detached" (twin) homes were $250K.
Singles here in the city in the mid-2000s? Starting at $600K. Builders were buying up lots to put up "2-story, 2-bedroom, 1-bath Townhome" (row home) "condos" for $399K.
When I bought by current car (a full SUV) literally 10 years ago, it was $51K.
In other words, it all depends on where you live. I have some former co-workers who moved down to GA in the late 2000s/early 2010s because of the "cheap" housing. Literally $150K for something that would easily cost $300 - $400K here.
Job tenure and instability are way up; pay has contracted substantially for most white collar jobs while inflation has sent prices to the moon.
Ummm... that's a lot of bunk talk. Thanks to the pandemic, wage growth has amazingly gone up for the first time in decades. What is missing now is getting the federal minimum wage off the current $7.25 that it has been at for the last 17 years because there are still some states, like mine (PA), that have refused to raise for the state itself (we are surrounded by states that have min. wages going from $10.10 - $17.50/hr, where even lowly WV has a higher minimum wage than PA).
The trades are important but most people cant work physically demanding jobs in their 60s eg they have a shelf life. Ageism is also rife in white collar work
yet at the same time, companies and policymakers want people to work well into their 70s because of a questionably solvent retirement system.
We cant go on like this. Something will break.
We cant go on like this. Something will break.
We have been "breaking" for years now. Ageism has been going on for decades.
Regarding employer training, we heard that all before. Im old enough to remember when companies were complaining about a severe stem shortage just five years ago. Now STEM workers are getting laid off by the truckload and job openings are scarce. The same thing will happen in every other skilled industry.
I linked to a federal response to that "training/apprenticeship" need that was just announced in July. If you go to the link, you will see it is across all sectors including IT and even healthcare fields, and there is even a chart of participating institutions.
Finally, its inaccurate to say that the job market has always been as moribund as it is today.
But it has been. Before you were born and as you were growing up.
Im in my 40s and have worked in numerous industries its harder for skilled workers with tech and STEM backgrounds to find good paying work today than it was during the 2007/2008 Bush recession.
Sweetheart, you are young. Most of DU are boomers and GenX (50 yos/60 yos/70 yos), and we have been there, done that, wore the t-shirt, wore that out, wore a new t-shirt, wore that out. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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August private payrolls rose by 99,000, smallest gain since 2021 and far below estimates, ADP says [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Sep 5
OP
As always, the Fed can never gage what is happening in the economy until well AFTER it happens
lapfog_1
Sep 5
#1
This report is done based on companies that subscribe (and provide data) to ADP
BumRushDaShow
Sep 5
#8
The "tech sector" has always been the victim of "bubbles", particularly over the past 3 decades
BumRushDaShow
Sep 5
#19
It's a common misunderstanding since they measure different things that sound similar
IronLionZion
Sep 5
#14