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BumRushDaShow

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Sat Sep 7, 2024, 07:40 AM Sep 7

Nate Silver faces backlash for pro-Trump model skewing [View all]

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Source: Salon

Published September 6, 2024 7:43PM (EDT)


Nate Silver, the celebrity statistician who gained notoriety for his FiveThirtyEight election models, is facing backlash over alleged skewing in his new model. Silver left the ABC-owned company and launched his own Substack, the Silver Bulletin, last year. Since then, he’s become increasingly critical of the FiveThirtyEight projection and its behind-the-scenes assumptions and adjustments.

“There’s a fine line between an “objective” statistical model and “just some dude’s opinion,” Silver wrote in mid-July, a month after launching his own competing election model. “But the 538 model falls somewhere on the wrong side of this line, in my view.”

Some social media users have denounced his complaints as not based in math, especially as he makes similar adjustments to his data. Silver has adopted the FiveThirtyEight system of weighting polls differently, ostensibly based on reliability. He's facing criticism for allegedly favoring junk polls over respected pollsters.

“Patriot Polling is literally run by two right wing high school students that is ranked 240th on FiveThirtyEight,” former pollster Adam Carlson noted on X, asking why that poll was weighted more highly than a YouGov poll, which they called “an internationally respected pollster that is ranked 4th on FiveThirtyEight.” Some users believe that Silver’s methods of weighting polls are dubious, especially as his swing state calculated “polling averages” move in the opposite direction as recently released swing state polls.

Read more: https://www.salon.com/2024/09/06/nate-silver-faces-backlash-for-pro-model-skewing/






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So over the past couple of days, Nate Silver has been tweeting multiple times a day insisting that things are looking worse and worse for the Harris campaign.

One state he claims has moved 1.2 pts to Trump since the convention is WI. Let's take a look at the recent polls there.
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Can't help but wonder if silver is cashing checks labeled in rubles JT45242 Sep 7 #1
TSF has already been caught paying for a favorable poll gab13by13 Sep 7 #5
Is he paying, or his rich Russian benefactor paying? 4lbs Sep 7 #12
It is simpler than that Trenzalore Sep 7 #6
This! liberalla Sep 7 #37
Thanks did not know that connection and ... JT45242 Sep 7 #39
He is literally Peter Thiel's guy obamanut2012 Sep 7 #24
Oh, that explains all zorbasd Sep 7 #33
Probably laundered by Peter Thiel. ananda Sep 7 #27
Follow the money... Docreed2003 Sep 7 #2
I somehow missed his Peter Thiel connection. marble falls Sep 7 #9
Silver works for Thiel's startup Docreed2003 Sep 7 #10
Conflict! We doan see no stinkin conflict of interests! marble falls Sep 7 #11
Seems like he's pissing off his fellow pollsters... Think. Again. Sep 7 #3
Silver may be snorting his own stash PJMcK Sep 7 #4
But .. but .. but .. Nate Silver walks on water! I don't trust polls til after the Conventions and then with some salt. marble falls Sep 7 #7
Not enough Sodium Chloride on the planet to make me trust polls like I did back in the 90s ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 7 #49
Your instincts are still correct today. The attention so many pay to them is shocking. marble falls Sep 7 #54
OP link is wrong thesquanderer Sep 7 #8
Thanks BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #23
He and Mark Halperin are doing the same thing kansasobama Sep 7 #13
Mark Halperin, a long time ago, used to be someone I'd listen to. erronis Sep 7 #15
I know PA is close kansasobama Sep 7 #14
who is the guy who does all the election night results on msnbc orleans Sep 7 #16
Steve Kornacki House of Roberts Sep 7 #19
oh thanks -- i like him. and his name rings a bell. i admire his energy! lol. nt orleans Sep 7 #20
I like his energy and enthusiasm, too. ShazzieB Sep 7 #42
The guy with the khakis? Alliepoo Sep 7 #21
A fair amount of chatter about how Nate Silver has his own real gambling problem. erronis Sep 7 #17
Interesting. Thanks. yardwork Sep 7 #31
Just to highlight this Salviati Sep 7 #35
Looks like Nate learned the art of projection from Trump Mr.WeRP Sep 7 #18
Around 2020, Nate Silver started turning into a bit of a contrarian troll. TRHST82 Sep 7 #22
Thiel pays his paycheck obamanut2012 Sep 7 #25
Nate Silver gets his paychecks from Peter Thiel. dalton99a Sep 7 #26
He pro-Biden'd skewed after the GOP convention too ColinC Sep 7 #28
After this, he has proven himself to be nothing but a shill for Trump and the right wing. Wiz Imp Sep 7 #29
Silver is just ONE example of a crystal ball gazer bought and paid for by the gqp and their supporters. PortTack Sep 7 #30
We pay way too much attention to these celebrities. yardwork Sep 7 #32
Also, the article doesn't mention this, but Silver has been making an "adjustment" pnwmom Sep 7 #34
The Daily Kos had a Nate Silver 538 interactive banner at the top of their front page for at least a decade ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 7 #36
thanks for posting - this calms me down a lot lanlady Sep 7 #38
He was shown the door from 538 after his 2022 polling fiasco BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #41
Thanks for repeating that information. Things get lost in the firehoses! erronis Sep 7 #43
i never did like statistics . a friend of mine called them sadistic. AllaN01Bear Sep 7 #40
They're pretty good for helping tell lies, tho. erronis Sep 7 #44
they sure are . AllaN01Bear Sep 7 #46
What's the old adage? BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #47
That was the first thing my psych statistics instructor at ATU said on the first day ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 7 #50
I was one course short of having a Math minor BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #52
So I guess we could say,... Woodycall Sep 7 #45
When TSF loses in November he will point to these polls kellytore Sep 7 #48
Wouldn't most pollsters have to... Mike Nelson Sep 7 #51
The gerrymandering wouldn't impact a state-wide (including an Electoral College-deciding) vote BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #53
Nate Silver had a sudden change in behavior... Mr. Mustard 2023 Sep 8 #55
Just saw a popup from News-weak on my MSN widget how Trump is now leading geardaddy Monday #56
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