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BumRushDaShow

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41. He was shown the door from 538 after his 2022 polling fiasco
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 01:58 PM
Sep 7

and was too haughty and cowardly to own up to it.

I have posted the below before but at least one of his staff did a mea culpa -

What I Got Wrong In 2022

By Nathaniel Rakich

Dec. 28, 2022, at 6:00 AM


Here’s a prediction that 100 percent, absolutely, positively will come true: I will get something wrong in 2023. Here at FiveThirtyEight, we make a lot of predictions every year; some of them work out, but we can’t get every single one right.  We can, however, learn from our mistakes. That’s why I like to write about everything I got wrong in the previous 12 months.1 I do this for two reasons: First, they’re often unintentionally hilarious (and when you’re a politics reporter, sometimes you need a laugh); second, identifying my blind spots has helped me become a better analyst.

And there’s no shortage of material for this year’s installment. Let’s start with a tweet I wrote on Nov. 6, 2020, shortly after it became clear that Joe Biden had won the presidential race: “Congratulations to Republicans on their victory in the 2022 midterms!” This was obviously meant to be snarky but also to communicate a political tenet: that the president’s party almost always has a bad midterm election. Of course, that tweet wasn’t from 2022, but I also made this argument in January of this year. And for several months thereafter, my analysis was colored by my expectation that 2022 would be a good election year for Republicans. As everyone knows by now, the midterms were a disappointment for Republicans. They won the House — but only barely (they gained just nine seats on net). Meanwhile, Democrats gained a seat in the Senate.



Clearly, I was overly confident in my early prediction. While it is true that the president’s party almost always has a poor midterm, there have been exceptions. And the 2022 midterms turned out to be one of these “asterisk elections,” thanks in no small part to the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization to overturn the constitutional right to abortion. This year I should have been more prepared for the possibility that the ruling could throw a wrench into the election, especially after a draft of the decision was leaked in May. And even after the decision, it took me a while to become convinced that voter anger over Dobbs would prove durable enough to last until Election Day.

It wasn’t until the fall that I revised my expectations from a “red wave” to a “red ripple.” My biggest mistake here was not realizing just how common an “asterisk election” actually is. I often quoted one key stat: that the president’s party had gained House seats in only two of the previous 19 midterm elections. But there were four other midterms where the president’s party lost fewer than 10 House seats — so what happened in 2022 isn’t that rare. I also neglected to remember that the president’s party had lost Senate seats in only 13 of the last 19 midterms. In other words, midterms like 2022 happen about a third of the time — way too frequently to count them out.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2022-predictions-i-got-wrong/


And to further underscore the practice and problem (i.e., the elevation and heavier weighting of partisan polls) -

The ‘Red Wave’ Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative

By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022

Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.

So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.

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Ms. Murray’s own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest — she amassed $20 million — on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the party’s national Senate committee and supportive super PACs — resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.

A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans — including inflation and President Biden’s unpopularity — the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html


I am still seeing analysis articles that continue to dismiss the Roe issue as "important" and are still doing this idiotic "worrying" about "missing the 'hidden' or 'reluctant' 45-voter". It's like I'm reading about a bunch of idiots stuck on stupid because election after election since 2020, Democrats have been reported, once the actuals are in, to have "over-performed expectations".
Can't help but wonder if silver is cashing checks labeled in rubles JT45242 Sep 7 #1
TSF has already been caught paying for a favorable poll gab13by13 Sep 7 #5
Is he paying, or his rich Russian benefactor paying? 4lbs Sep 7 #12
It is simpler than that Trenzalore Sep 7 #6
This! liberalla Sep 7 #37
Thanks did not know that connection and ... JT45242 Sep 7 #39
He is literally Peter Thiel's guy obamanut2012 Sep 7 #24
Oh, that explains all zorbasd Sep 7 #33
Probably laundered by Peter Thiel. ananda Sep 7 #27
Follow the money... Docreed2003 Sep 7 #2
I somehow missed his Peter Thiel connection. marble falls Sep 7 #9
Silver works for Thiel's startup Docreed2003 Sep 7 #10
Conflict! We doan see no stinkin conflict of interests! marble falls Sep 7 #11
Seems like he's pissing off his fellow pollsters... Think. Again. Sep 7 #3
Silver may be snorting his own stash PJMcK Sep 7 #4
But .. but .. but .. Nate Silver walks on water! I don't trust polls til after the Conventions and then with some salt. marble falls Sep 7 #7
Not enough Sodium Chloride on the planet to make me trust polls like I did back in the 90s ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 7 #49
Your instincts are still correct today. The attention so many pay to them is shocking. marble falls Sep 7 #54
OP link is wrong thesquanderer Sep 7 #8
Thanks BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #23
He and Mark Halperin are doing the same thing kansasobama Sep 7 #13
Mark Halperin, a long time ago, used to be someone I'd listen to. erronis Sep 7 #15
I know PA is close kansasobama Sep 7 #14
who is the guy who does all the election night results on msnbc orleans Sep 7 #16
Steve Kornacki House of Roberts Sep 7 #19
oh thanks -- i like him. and his name rings a bell. i admire his energy! lol. nt orleans Sep 7 #20
I like his energy and enthusiasm, too. ShazzieB Sep 7 #42
The guy with the khakis? Alliepoo Sep 7 #21
A fair amount of chatter about how Nate Silver has his own real gambling problem. erronis Sep 7 #17
Interesting. Thanks. yardwork Sep 7 #31
Just to highlight this Salviati Sep 7 #35
Looks like Nate learned the art of projection from Trump Mr.WeRP Sep 7 #18
Around 2020, Nate Silver started turning into a bit of a contrarian troll. TRHST82 Sep 7 #22
Thiel pays his paycheck obamanut2012 Sep 7 #25
Nate Silver gets his paychecks from Peter Thiel. dalton99a Sep 7 #26
He pro-Biden'd skewed after the GOP convention too ColinC Sep 7 #28
After this, he has proven himself to be nothing but a shill for Trump and the right wing. Wiz Imp Sep 7 #29
Silver is just ONE example of a crystal ball gazer bought and paid for by the gqp and their supporters. PortTack Sep 7 #30
We pay way too much attention to these celebrities. yardwork Sep 7 #32
Also, the article doesn't mention this, but Silver has been making an "adjustment" pnwmom Sep 7 #34
The Daily Kos had a Nate Silver 538 interactive banner at the top of their front page for at least a decade ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 7 #36
thanks for posting - this calms me down a lot lanlady Sep 7 #38
He was shown the door from 538 after his 2022 polling fiasco BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #41
Thanks for repeating that information. Things get lost in the firehoses! erronis Sep 7 #43
i never did like statistics . a friend of mine called them sadistic. AllaN01Bear Sep 7 #40
They're pretty good for helping tell lies, tho. erronis Sep 7 #44
they sure are . AllaN01Bear Sep 7 #46
What's the old adage? BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #47
That was the first thing my psych statistics instructor at ATU said on the first day ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 7 #50
I was one course short of having a Math minor BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #52
So I guess we could say,... Woodycall Sep 7 #45
When TSF loses in November he will point to these polls kellytore Sep 7 #48
Wouldn't most pollsters have to... Mike Nelson Sep 7 #51
The gerrymandering wouldn't impact a state-wide (including an Electoral College-deciding) vote BumRushDaShow Sep 7 #53
Nate Silver had a sudden change in behavior... Mr. Mustard 2023 Sep 8 #55
Just saw a popup from News-weak on my MSN widget how Trump is now leading geardaddy Sep 9 #56
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