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NNadir

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34. I'm not going to share a tremendous amount of personal stuff but will say...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 11:24 AM
Oct 15

Last edited Tue Oct 15, 2024, 03:03 PM - Edit history (2)

...a few things in answer to your questions.

I am addicted to caffeine and I do experience what can be recognized clearly as withdrawal if I am deprived of it, generally manifested symptomatically as headache. It should be obvious however, that the effort of asserting a parallelism between being an alcoholic and a caffeine addict is extremely superficial to the point of being absurd. There are alcoholics who addiction results in them killing people, most notably in driving, but in other syndromes as well, liver disease, metabolic syndromes, and of course extreme intellectual impairment. The physiologic and intellectual manifestations of caffeine addiction are, while real, much smaller. People are not arrested for driving while caffinated.

This alcohol-pot-caffiene-heroin-cocaine-tobacco equivalence, which I generally hear mostly from pot users and defenders doesn't hold water, at least with those I regard as having cognitive skills. People always like to talk about Carl Sagan, obviously a high functioning pot user. They fail however to speculate as to whether he might have functioned at an even higher level without it. Winston Churchill was a high functioning alcoholic. One may wonder if his special case is an endorsement of alcoholism.

My nephew became addicted to pot just out of adolescence, as an early teen. His mother knew all about it and at first tolerated it, something of which, owing to my scientific background and experience I disapproved, but said nothing, minding my own damn business.

Yes, he has tried to quit. I have heard about efforts many times. I have spoken to him just once about his addiction as his uncle, then only to tell him that I love him and if he needs or wants my help, it's available. I put no pressure on him whatsoever; I just hope for him to pull through though it is obviously beyond my control.

Unsurprisingly he failed out of of college as did his housemates who kept a bong in the living room. Thus he needed to get a job, and through a friend had an opportunity to apply for a high paying skilled job using fairly dangerous equipment requiring clear attention. The management of the company required drug and alcohol testing for reasons I applaud. I explained to his mother the physiology of THC and the pharmacokinetics, the long half life and aspects of the technical approach to testing by mass spectrometry. To the best of her ability she translated this to her son, and because he really did want the job, he tried and failed to quit in the weeks before the test, yet another time after previous efforts. He failed to quit, failed to pass the drug test and failed to get the job. Mind you, he had connections, but they could not waive the requirements.

He has a number of serious issues with a psychological basis, but obviously getting high hasn't cured them. From what I hear, they've only made them worse.

He may never succeed at quitting, although his mother is exhausted by this and other issues, which she shares with my wife. She, like others, has traveled the distance from tolerance to objection.

I'm an old man who came of age in the early 70s. Obviously I knew lots of pot smokers and for that matter alcoholics. I'm not niave as to the consequences which are obvious to me, I claim, as a function of sobriety. I generally don't hang around any more with people who get high; generally I find them uninteresting, as often their lives are about their drug as opposed to the greater world.

OK?

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I hope to live to see this happen sanatanadharma Oct 14 #1
Prohibition is a failed public policy, again. Legalizing cannabis converts a money pool controlled by cartels ZonkerHarris Oct 14 #2
Yeah... GB_RN Oct 14 #12
It's about time! Hieronymus Phact Oct 14 #3
Meanwhile, if FloriDUH... Fritz Walter Oct 14 #4
I'm assuming state prohibitions will remain in place, but this is a huge deal. prodigitalson Oct 14 #5
I Might Be Wrong... GB_RN Oct 14 #15
In Texas we still have prohibition in "dry" counties prodigitalson Oct 15 #30
We Had A Few Counties Like That... GB_RN Oct 15 #31
Being in KS, I'm wondering the same thing. slightlv Oct 14 #18
The Fascist Playbook: MayReasonRule Oct 15 #29
Yes! ms liberty Oct 14 #6
I'll drink to that! JoseBalow Oct 14 #7
I hope LPBBEAR Oct 14 #8
I don't encourage marijuana use as I'm not happy about what I've observed in connection with it. NNadir Oct 14 #9
I sympathize with your concerns..... AZ8theist Oct 14 #11
oohh... lowering the BP! I could definitely use that! slightlv Oct 14 #19
You can either have stores or people dealing out of their house on your block. It's a choice. ZonkerHarris Oct 14 #16
What I'd like to see is the stores go out of business. NNadir Oct 14 #17
Supporting cartels and black markets is an interesting choice. ZonkerHarris Oct 14 #20
We have lots of businesses in town that don't... NNadir Oct 14 #21
I hope you take the same tone with people who drink alcohol. and rally against the liquor stores too. ZonkerHarris Oct 14 #22
Isn't there any kind of other rote response? If I oppose selling guns, do I have to object also to knives? NNadir Oct 14 #23
I'm with you, NNaddir dickthegrouch Oct 15 #32
I have a lot of questions cannabis_flower Oct 15 #33
I'm not going to share a tremendous amount of personal stuff but will say... NNadir Oct 15 #34
Thank you for pointing this stuff out! I hope the poster responds. nt. druidity33 Oct 15 #35
I did. NNadir Oct 16 #36
And it was well reasoned... druidity33 Oct 16 #37
We have as many here as there are Dollar General stores MichMan Oct 14 #25
Please tell me gay texan Oct 14 #10
Bonging for the K-Bomb Botany Oct 14 #13
Smart move! jalan48 Oct 14 #14
Dank Brandon and Kamala Hashish are killing it MistakenLamb Oct 14 #24
Good Figarosmom Oct 14 #26
I'll smoke to that! RussBLib Oct 14 #27
This would be a tremendous help for those of us living in federally-subsidized housing. Habibi Oct 15 #28
What about legalizing prostitution? marshall Oct 16 #38
For now I don't agree with this rockfordfile Oct 16 #39
Hallelujah Emile Oct 16 #40
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