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róisín_dubh

(12,002 posts)
59. Well now.
Mon Dec 9, 2024, 02:38 AM
Dec 2024

Let's see. First, federal and state tax money to state colleges/unis declined dramatically. So tuition had to go up.
Then, Americans decided everything had to be a goddammed business and quantified, so learning for the sake of being a better informed citizen went out the window, in favour of how much money will my little angel Johnny or Sally make. Then that means Johnny and Sally become customers, not students, and when Johnny and Sally want the most state of the art living facilities and amenities on campuses, the CEOS (er, presidents) of universities entered into wildly ridiculous deals with towns and cities to build these stupidly expensive facilities.

Then the adjunctification of the university system occurred where universities decided, damn, all the money on buildings is crippling us, so no more hiring faculty to long term contracts, instead let's create a perpetual underclass of poorly paid academics who have to cobble together 6-7 gigs just to not starve or live in their cars and while your kid's tuition is going up and up and up, fewer and fewer professors are actually on permanent contracts. Then, universities decide to just focus on training in fields that "make money".

The education system in the US is in shambles at every level. I left a research-intensive university in 2022, of my own accord, because no senior faculty could get internal funding for research (and external funding in my field is almost non-existent). They wanted to raise my teaching to an unsustainable level and cut my research and I noped the hell out of there and moved abroad. A year later 170+ of my colleagues, most on permanent contracts (aka with tenure) were fired because the budget had been so mismanaged the university was something like $75 million in debt.


ETA: Sorry this wasn't really directed only at you

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They did it to themselves Wicked Blue Dec 2024 #1
free in California Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #16
And Ronald Reagan eliminated that when he was governor Wicked Blue Dec 2024 #17
Brother got two Masters degrees and avoided the draft. He would not have done well. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #20
Oh, so that's when that happened! ShazzieB Dec 2024 #25
Tuition was free at CA community colleges at least until 1993 as I was a student then. There was a big kelly1mm Dec 2024 #30
He wouldn't be popular if he didn't do lots of cruel shit. GOP loves to fuck people. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #72
Yes! UC colleges were free in the 1960s. Now they're $21k per year, just for tuition. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #26
My brother was very smart to move to CA and go to USC and UCLA obtaining two Masters degrees and avoiding Nam. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #71
Yes, I went to a 2 yr. community college after graduating from high school in 1964. patphil Dec 2024 #27
$200 in 2024 dollars is $1773 Renew Deal Dec 2024 #29
I recently came across my budget for expenses. I paid $170 for tuition, books, and fees for one semester at a public rainin Dec 2024 #43
Well now. róisín_dubh Dec 2024 #59
COVID was not kind of Higher Ed either. SomewhereInTheMiddle Dec 2024 #61
And also, businesses hiring off the streets (directed at college grads) weren't finding the quality and / or quantity of SWBTATTReg Dec 2024 #78
Part of that increase is because the federal and states used to give more money to the colleges. raccoon Dec 2024 #64
"They" didn't do it. State governments did. Iris Dec 2024 #76
High costs with questionable returns IronLionZion Dec 2024 #2
The lifetime earnings of someone with a college degree is over a million dollars more than one without on average. Shermann Dec 2024 #4
Anyone who can afford to invest $200k all at once at age 18 doesn't need to go to college Fiendish Thingy Dec 2024 #9
Actually, the student who simply pays the $200K out of pocket makes out better than most. Shermann Dec 2024 #18
Apples to oranges Fiendish Thingy Dec 2024 #23
Why college instead of trade school exboyfil Dec 2024 #33
Nothing wrong with trade school Fiendish Thingy Dec 2024 #53
I already qualified my observation by stating that higher education can be more than just a rate of return Shermann Dec 2024 #75
There is a formula in consumer finance education... JT45242 Dec 2024 #57
I concur 100% MichMan Dec 2024 #60
Overall, that is right on the mark Fiendish Thingy Dec 2024 #70
Is the quality of life significantly better? Renew Deal Dec 2024 #31
You don't think someone in middle America earning $75k per year isn't better off than someone earning $42k ? MichMan Dec 2024 #45
More money is always better Renew Deal Dec 2024 #49
Let's say you take two years at CC, transfer to a 4 yr college, take classes at night and earn an Engineering degree MichMan Dec 2024 #54
If you could have your entire loan of $225k removed by agreeing to take a $33k annual pay cut the rest of your life... MichMan Dec 2024 #73
Every statistic is better JT45242 Dec 2024 #65
Make life more expensive and people will have less children. Yavin4 Dec 2024 #3
More and more people I talk to are not going to college because it is not needed thatdemguy Dec 2024 #5
25 years ago I started a job that demanded a college degree Orrex Dec 2024 #6
Software engineers with computer science degrees are the exception Shermann Dec 2024 #8
Not quite Lithos Dec 2024 #38
I'm not sure about your binary characterization using made-up terms Shermann Dec 2024 #79
I will disagree with you there. Lithos Dec 2024 #82
Last grade I "graduated" from was 6th. Did some college. Taught at universities, worked around the world. erronis Dec 2024 #40
Did they cover trade school numbers LittleGirl Dec 2024 #7
There was a mention at the linked data site BumRushDaShow Dec 2024 #12
Thanks! nt LittleGirl Dec 2024 #58
By design. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 2024 #10
The birth rate went down. jimfields33 Dec 2024 #34
Well, making abortion illegal and denying women's healthcare might reduce birthrates too... EastBayGuy Dec 2024 #11
Well when a college education costs tens of thousands of dollars what do we expect? Jacson6 Dec 2024 #13
Do people largely see college education as job training? Jim__ Dec 2024 #14
Depends on your family situation exboyfil Dec 2024 #35
Yet another public good completely ruined by the profit motive being applied to something it never should have been. Karasu Dec 2024 #15
All four grandkids are going to BonnieJW Dec 2024 #19
Great idea exboyfil Dec 2024 #36
How does cost of CC compare with a state univ? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2024 #63
It's too expansive for most - TBF Dec 2024 #21
Iowa is fortunate in that it has great public colleges that aren't exboyfil Dec 2024 #37
My son applied to a couple in Indiana - TBF Dec 2024 #39
Wish your son the best exboyfil Dec 2024 #55
thanks - TBF Dec 2024 #74
The original "deal", as I recall it being sold, was dobleremolque Dec 2024 #22
I went to college in the mid 70's in California kimbutgar Dec 2024 #24
Excellent! That's just what the republicans want. choie Dec 2024 #28
This election was decided by the most uneducated and uninformed electorate in history... Karasu Dec 2024 #32
The birth rate fell. Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #68
Birthrate is a ruse Nigrum Cattus Dec 2024 #41
Make America Dumb Again! tenderfoot Dec 2024 #42
Hello to you!! BumRushDaShow Dec 2024 #44
There's an over-abundance of people that think college is pointless unless you major in business or some bee ess tenderfoot Dec 2024 #47
Yup BumRushDaShow Dec 2024 #48
Who needs humanities or philosophy? tenderfoot Dec 2024 #50
It's all part of the plan. GoYouPackersGo Dec 2024 #46
There seems to be something fishy about this statistic.... reACTIONary Dec 2024 #51
Who needs all that fancg learnin'? czarjak Dec 2024 #52
In the Trump era it's not what you know, it's who you know. hay rick Dec 2024 #56
Well... Mike Nelson Dec 2024 #62
I'm a big proponent of technical College. Thats where I went & I retired at 53 Callie1979 Dec 2024 #66
Oh no, that might eventually effect college football,say it aint so! BradBo Dec 2024 #67
"Higher" education is bubble waiting to pop harun Dec 2024 #69
We are going to regret this. Big time. "Dumb Down," indeed: DFW Dec 2024 #77
The value of a college education far exceeds a debt-to-earnings calculus LearnedHand Dec 2024 #80
Colleges should be obligated to guarantee graduates jobs pfitz59 Dec 2024 #81
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