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mr715

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80. Thank you for the thought experiment

Sat Dec 28, 2024, 06:50 PM

Dec 2024

I think had Biden decisively won the debate, he'd have made it more competitive. But he couldn't have and let me try to articulate why...

Biden ran in 2020 with urgency for the soul of the nation, etc. etc. If it were really about that, and not personal investment, it didn't need to be him...

I've said it before. Had he not decided to run for reelection, he'd still get invited to all the same parties. His legacy would be remembered fondly. He'd be the hero of covid.

But he chose to be on the stage, and so it highlighted the fact that he was running on an inconsistent strategy -- it has to be him, only him. Yet also, we must beat the other guy at all costs.

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Biden reportedly regrets ending re-election campaign and says he'd have defeated Trump [View all] Polybius Dec 2024 OP

He was running on a strong pro workers platform. ColinC Dec 2024 #1

Harris was his chosen VP and never contradicted any of his policies or ideologies. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #7

Correct Polybius Dec 2024 #10

Still, she ran on her own plafform. His focus at the beginning (which was also the end) of his campaign ColinC Dec 2024 #15

I think her problem was not saying it though Polybius Dec 2024 #18

Yeah i think her whole campaign was trying to be too careful ColinC Dec 2024 #20

I think she felt that it would be an attack on Biden, and she was very loyal to him Polybius Dec 2024 #24

Yup! ColinC Dec 2024 #25

She ran on her own platform. Not his. ColinC Dec 2024 #11

Point to the evidence. Any evidence. Otherwise, it's malarkey. RockRaven Dec 2024 #2

He was 20 points behind in the polls after the debate Fiendish Thingy Dec 2024 #14

Agreed. I don't believe this for a second. ificandream Dec 2024 #16

the evidence would be him making successful appearance after successful public appearance cadoman Jan 2025 #119

We'll simply never know True Dough Dec 2024 #3

Nope Nasruddin Dec 2024 #4

I don't agree. ificandream Dec 2024 #19

What? Nasruddin Dec 2024 #40

I don't think it was "baked in the cake". ificandream Dec 2024 #106

Are we back to "un-named sources" again? Think. Again. Dec 2024 #5

Welp, they were correct in July... Polybius Dec 2024 #8

I feel sorry for President Biden. He has done his very best. Hope22 Dec 2024 #6

That's an old saying? n/t Igel Dec 2024 #100

Here ya go! PJMcK Dec 2024 #102

I hope this is being misrepresented imaginary girl Dec 2024 #9

I hope so too... Raastan Dec 2024 #105

I don't see how he does any better qazplm135 Dec 2024 #12

I place no blame on Harris. I believe her loss was due only to the notinkansas Dec 2024 #21

I believe the same thing. LisaL Dec 2024 #28

There's no one else who can take responsibility Nasruddin Dec 2024 #41

No one else who can take responsibility? notinkansas Dec 2024 #44

But I think there are reasons for this that are below the surface. LT Barclay Dec 2024 #99

I mean the loss has many causes qazplm135 Dec 2024 #50

Harris lost because uncledad Dec 2024 #46

I'm sorry but no qazplm135 Dec 2024 #49

We did not spend uncledad Dec 2024 #59

Oh of course we did qazplm135 Dec 2024 #94

While Harris could have run a more negative campaign, she did point out his well known negatives LymphocyteLover Dec 2024 #95

Highly doubtful IMHO and water under the bridge in any case. Love you Joe. dutch777 Dec 2024 #13

Trump was outpolling Joe since September 2023: not sure Joe would have even done as well as Kamala andym Dec 2024 #17

Correct, if Biden had been on his game for first debate, MacKasey Dec 2024 #22

Biden contacting Covid in late summer toke a huge toll on him IMHO........ riversedge Dec 2024 #29

I don't recall Biden getting covid. Where did you get that? brush Dec 2024 #32

Here--but you will find several articles about this...... riversedge Dec 2024 #39

Ok. That was deep into the campaign and IMO didn't have much impact... brush Dec 2024 #42

The covid was very convenient mr715 Dec 2024 #56

This I agree with. Unfortunately Joe had a disastrous performance in the debate. brush Dec 2024 #31

Debates don't mean much unless your a cable news bobble-head uncledad Dec 2024 #47

Please. Clips of Joe's poor debate showing was ran over and over and over thousands of times... brush Dec 2024 #48

Trump's debate performance was just as bad (against Kamala) crimycarny Dec 2024 #58

Biden did worse than Trump mr715 Dec 2024 #63

Both were bad in different ways crimycarny Dec 2024 #73

Thank you for the thought experiment mr715 Dec 2024 #80

I'll still remember Biden fondly crimycarny Dec 2024 #85

You insight is appreciated. mr715 Dec 2024 #86

Woah.. that's a reflection of Geuine Kindness from them! electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #118

And they were being run mr715 Dec 2024 #60

Joe's performance uncledad Dec 2024 #69

I couldn't disagree more. After that debate, Joe's chances to win went down the drain like it was flushed. brush Dec 2024 #71

It was palpable mr715 Dec 2024 #81

Your entitled to your opinion? uncledad Dec 2024 #82

Yes I am, and I'm sticking with it. And so are you, BTW. brush Dec 2024 #83

The debate mattered mr715 Dec 2024 #51

Trump was beating Biden in NY mr715 Dec 2024 #57

I love you, Joe but not a chance. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #23

If JoeB believes he would have defeated the SlobFather I say stick with it sir NoMoreRepugs Dec 2024 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Dec 2024 #27

I'm guessing Joe doesn't have regrets, especially the ones that haunt a person. I'm sure he KPN Dec 2024 #30

Garland was certainly a drag on the campaign, what with his appointment of the rethug Cur to interview Joe... brush Dec 2024 #33

Rec X1000 notinkansas Dec 2024 #64

Oh come on mr715 Dec 2024 #65

Sounds like malarkey to me, but what do I know? elleng Dec 2024 #34

Given the way some of the people in Congress were turning on him and making no secret of it, I doubt he Vinca Dec 2024 #35

The only regret is that he didn't declare he was not running again Ritabert Dec 2024 #36

I agree with the President TheFarseer Dec 2024 #37

My thoughts, too claudette Dec 2024 #53

I Blame the Media - They fucked Biden over, but to this day they continue to Sanewash Pumpkin Spice Palpatine NEOBuckeye Dec 2024 #38

+1000 crimycarny Dec 2024 #77

Peace to him. Weʻre all hurting, canʻt imagine what he is going through. mahina Dec 2024 #43

He's going to be fine mr715 Dec 2024 #55

As much as I respect and admire President Biden, unfortunately he's wrong... SKKY Dec 2024 #45

Agree with him about claudette Dec 2024 #52

After his performance in the debate not a chance. It was clear he just wasn't up to doc03 Dec 2024 #54

And it played into a narrative mr715 Dec 2024 #66

Trump could get away with mindless word salad but the media only talked about Biden. nt doc03 Dec 2024 #68

Yup. nt mr715 Dec 2024 #75

This! Docreed2003 Dec 2024 #70

That combined with his physical condition it was obvious age had caught up with him. If he doc03 Dec 2024 #74

No need for this now. kacekwl Dec 2024 #61

We Don't Need This DallasNE Dec 2024 #62

The fact is over kacekwl Dec 2024 #67

I strongly doubt Biden would have won. I'm disappointed he's disrespecting Harris like this. Martin68 Dec 2024 #72

I thought that Pres Biden said he would be one term. JanMichael Dec 2024 #76

Here is the WaPo profile the article is based on... reACTIONary Dec 2024 #78

We'll never know, but snot Dec 2024 #79

I'm sorry. Joe was a great president but he would have gotten smoked johnnyplankton Dec 2024 #84

What a bunch late daisies. LakeArenal Dec 2024 #87

The one big thing Biden had going for him Seasider Dec 2024 #88

George W Bush wasn't too unpopular in 2004. StevieM Dec 2024 #89

Bush was in the high 40's, and he barely won Electorally Polybius Dec 2024 #92

Biden's approval rating was worse than Trump's in 2020. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #109

W Bush had higher approvals and it came down to one state (Ohio) JI7 Dec 2024 #110

He was pushed out, and he would have beat trump. Bluethroughu Dec 2024 #90

The M$M hit squad was out to get Biden Blue Owl Dec 2024 #91

I am sure that he sincerely believes that he would have won the election had he stayed in the race. totodeinhere Dec 2024 #93

I don't think even President Obama would have won in this climate tulipsandroses Dec 2024 #96

I think a younger Clinton would have won Polybius Dec 2024 #97

Nope , Obama would have won for sure. JI7 Dec 2024 #111

Just my 2 cents but.... OhioBack2Blue Dec 2024 #98

He's a president, not a magician! LeftInTX Dec 2024 #101

He could have circumvented the courts and done a lot more for student loans with one signature. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2024 #107

Wrong. The Supreme Court would have stuck that down too. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #113

Truth is, we'll never know what would've happened had Biden stayed in Deminpenn Dec 2024 #103

The fact this is the most commented post on DU today shows we've learned nothing. jvill Dec 2024 #104

The so-called mainstream media is saving our asses every single day ... ificandream Dec 2024 #115

I'm sorry to say this, but the US news media were lined up against him FakeNoose Dec 2024 #108

Biden's team is partly to blame. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #112

How were they lined up against him? ificandream Dec 2024 #117

In Solidarity union rep Dec 2024 #114

I think the problem was his running for reelection iemanja Dec 2024 #116