Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

nmmi

(247 posts)
38. ⭐️The "raided money" is being paid back. The trust fund assets are already being cashed in because SS benefits
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:37 PM
Monday

Last edited Tue Dec 31, 2024, 04:29 AM - Edit history (2)

exceed SS income.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

Table 4: TRUST FUND OPERATIONS, 2023
....................... OASI DI
Net change in Reserves -70.4 29.0

. . .
Since 2021, the OASI Trust Fund has been drawing down asset reserves to finance benefits and will require increasing amounts of asset redemptions during the next decade. The OASI Trust Fund has a projected reserve depletion date of 2033, the same year as in last year’s report.

The DI Trust Fund is projected to remain solvent throughout the long-range period, as in last year’s report. The DI trust fund ratio increases throughout the projection period from 92 percent at the beginning of 2024 to 858 percent for 2098.

The Trustees project that the combined OASI and DI Trust Fund reserves will continue to decrease in 2024 because total cost ($1,482 billion) is expected to exceed total income ($1,382 billion). For OASDI, the Trustees project that total cost will exceed total income in all future years, as it has starting in 2021.


The report is signed by four high Democratic officials. It is not some scraping from some Facebook page or Heritage Foundation

Janet Yellen,
Secretary of the Treasury,
and Managing Trustee of the Trust Funds.

Xavier Becerra,
Secretary of Health and Human Services,
and Trustee.

Julie A. Su,
Acting Secretary of Labor,
and Trustee.

Martin O'Malley,
Commissioner of Social Security,
and Trustee.


The process is automatic and will continue unless Congress changes the law

I have some Treasuries too -- some I-bonds and a TIPs bond, plus whatever Treasuries is in various bond funds that I have. They are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, just like the securities in the trust funds.

From another thread, here are some misconceptions, similar to several replies in this thread ---

[Quote]My Social Security payments, and those of millions of other Americans, were safely tucked away in an interest bearing account for decades [/Quote]

they were -- and are -- invested in special non-marketable interest-bearing Treasury securities.

https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
Q27: Do the Social Security Trust Funds earn interest? -
. . . The Trust Funds have earned interest in every year since the program began.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/
The only disbursements permitted from the funds are benefit payments and administrative expenses. The Trustees must invest all excess funds in interest-bearing securities backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. The Department of the Treasury currently invests all program revenue in special non-marketable U.S. Government securities, which earn interest equal to average rates on marketable securities with durations defined in law.
The balances in the trust funds represent the accumulated value, including interest, of all prior program annual surpluses and deficits.


Again, this is a report by 4 high Democratic officials, the SS and Medicare Trustees.

[Quote]“It's my money”-give it back to me the way the system was designed [/Quote]

It is being given back as designed. Since 2021 SS income has fallen short of SS benefits and trust fund securities are being cashed in to make up the difference. See top of this post

More: Trust Fund FAQs: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/fundFAQ.html
Myths and Misinformation About Social Security Part 2: https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html
https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html

Some more detail on the status of the OASI and DI funds, and the hypothetical OASDI fund --
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

• The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund will be able to pay 100 percent of total scheduled benefits until 2033, unchanged from last year's report. At that time, the fund's reserves will become depleted and continuing program income will be sufficient to pay 79 percent of scheduled benefits.

• The Disability Insurance (DI) Trust Fund is projected to be able to pay 100 percent of total scheduled benefits through at least 2098, the last year of this report's projection period. Last year's report projected that the DI Trust Fund would be able to pay scheduled benefits through at least 2097, the last year of that report's projection period.

• If the OASI Trust Fund and the DI Trust Fund projections are combined, the resulting projected fund (designated OASDI) would be able to pay 100 percent of total scheduled benefits until 2035, one year later than reported last year. At that time, the projected fund's reserves will become depleted and continuing total fund income will be sufficient to pay 83 percent of scheduled benefits. (The two funds could not actually be combined unless there were a change in the law, but the combined projection of the two funds is frequently used to indicate the overall status of the Social Security program.)

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Institute a Social Security Surcharge on all income above 1 mil. Captain Zero Monday #1
I would agree and defer to your numbers Buddyzbuddy Monday #2
Hell to pay at polls Abstractartist Monday #13
That's a good point. Buddyzbuddy Monday #37
The wealthy will just probably give up their citizenship to avoid as much of it as they can then. cstanleytech Monday #4
The IRS already knows where everyone is employed, so why not just do a quick database search with the SSN LiberalArkie Monday #15
One of the side effects of that would be to have employers not hire people with children/many children. In kelly1mm Monday #29
Agreed. The Madcap Monday #31
The Rs in office are mostly rich so they have a vested interest in not paying taxes. cstanleytech Monday #35
Hell...do away with the cut off amount entirely. WTF, I paid into SS for 48+ years of my working life Bengus81 Monday #6
That is the only way that has ever made sense. Except our lord even back when they started SS did not want to pay their LiberalArkie Monday #17
Well, they're not paying 70-90% in taxes anymore. SergeStorms Monday #25
Nobody was paying 70%-90% in taxes. Those percentages applied only to Ocelot II Monday #28
I would like to see numbers The Madcap Monday #32
Fuck You Sununu. Asshole. ZonkerHarris Monday #3
Well said... Think. Again. Monday #5
Sununu Ladythatvotesblue Monday #11
If existing laws protecting the Social Security Trust Fund... GiqueCee Monday #7
The Repugs loudly ridiculed Al Gore's "lock box" promise. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Monday #23
No. Just No. GB_RN Monday #8
If SS is on the table Henry203 Monday #9
No worries - it will trickle up 33taw Monday #14
im not going to say anything as i get yelled at . i AllaN01Bear Monday #10
Trial Buffoon. nt Xipe Totec Monday #12
Let's put congressional salary and number of congressional staff members on cut list. Wonder Why Monday #16
Trump said no cuts on the campaign trail and we know he's yet to lie about anything Bengus81 Monday #18
Just brillant - NOT! boonecreek Monday #19
If we removed the $160,000 cap limit KS Toronado Monday #20
Cutting corporate subsides should be included in the same discussion as cutting S.S.. Hotler Monday #21
If they cut Social Security, then they should have to The Madcap Monday #33
You first -- tax the rich. BadgerKid Monday #22
Going to be an interesting four years. republianmushroom Monday #24
Hey, I've got an idea! Raise or eliminate the cap on FICA deductions! Ocelot II Monday #26
Democrats need to weaponize the debt ceiling, Social Security, Medicare, and taxes right freaking NOW! OrlandoDem2 Monday #27
Sununu: Let them eat cake sakabatou Monday #30
Sure, Chris Jean Genie Monday #34
Maybe SS should just start by demanding back the money that was borrowed from it. colorado_ufo Monday #36
⭐️The "raided money" is being paid back. The trust fund assets are already being cashed in because SS benefits nmmi Monday #38
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Social Security Update: R...»Reply #38