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EX500rider

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29. Well the crash investigation just got a lot harder:
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:12 AM
Jan 11
South Korea air crash recorders missing final four minutes
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr8dwd1rdno

Lots of discussion @ Airliners.net about how they could have lost both generators but still had enough thrust for a go around, best theory IMO so far involves tripping breakers:


The recorders will still cover the period from the initial (likely) birdstrike to whatever caused the second generator to go offline. That will tell us what went wrong at first, and likely indicate what caused the loss of each generator (excessive N2 variation, flameout, shutdown).

At the point when ADS-B cut out, they were ~500ft and didn't have nearly enough energy to overfly the runway and do a teardrop without further thrust, so at least one engine was producing at least partial thrust for a good chunk of that 4-minute period. You can't glide for four minutes from that, let alone accelerate to ~200kt. 1549 glided for about 10nm; this flight would have been about three-quarters that length it appears, scaling off some peoples' indicative tracks, plus with much more turn (which eats up energy).

The generators on the 737 do not automatically come on bus. Flight crew action is needed to reset them if they trip. I am wondering if the stalls caused changes in N2 RPM that were too fast for the constant speed drive to handle, so frequency excursion tripped the generator off bus.

I think this somewhat fits the 'shut down wrong engine' hypothesis. GEN 2 (probably) dropped offline during the initial birdstrike. GEN 1 dropped offline when the crew shut down engine 1, or possibly during a separate second birdstrike, but I feel this is unlikely.

Like in Transair 810, the failed engine continued providing not quite enough thrust to maintain level flight, forcing this flight to attempt a teardrop to land.

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Maybe South Korea need to have Falconers to work the Airports Oneear Dec 29 #1
Video of the /landing/crash: EX500rider Dec 29 #2
Mayday went out 4 minutes before the crash. LudwigPastorius Dec 29 #13
Looks like flaps are down in the bird strike/compressor stall vid EX500rider Dec 29 #14
Yeah I suspect there may have been some tunnel vision over engine restart... EX500rider Dec 29 #15
DEAR GOD!..Didn't they have time to foam the runway?..I guess probably not. chouchou Dec 29 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author bamagal62 Dec 29 #10
In this case foaming the runway would have extended the slide, not helpful in this case IMO EX500rider Dec 29 #11
Tragic. bamagal62 Dec 29 #12
The left vid here seems to capture the bird strike in the right engine: EX500rider Dec 29 #4
Some speculation that the gear up was a oversight: EX500rider Dec 29 #5
The video of the crash is horrific. Jacson6 Dec 29 #6
Another view of the landing from the other side EX500rider Dec 29 #7
If it's Boeing . . . Richard D Dec 29 #8
737-800 has a generally strong safety record, largely due to mature technology. EX500rider Dec 29 #9
I'm thinking electrical problem jmowreader Dec 29 #16
That would require no engines, no APU and bad backup batteries? EX500rider Dec 29 #18
737 pilot gave a synopsis: EX500rider Dec 29 #17
It's pretty much a given more people would have survived had the berm not been there Major Nikon Dec 29 #19
While i agree... EX500rider Dec 30 #20
The antennas almost certainly were mounted on frangible supports Major Nikon Dec 30 #21
Yeah but they were already on approach.. EX500rider Dec 30 #22
They were able to climb which means at least one of the engines was making power at least initially Major Nikon Dec 31 #23
I understand them wanting to keep the hull clean to extend glide... EX500rider Dec 31 #25
From the time of the mayday call to crash was only 2-3 mins Major Nikon Jan 2 #27
Well I'd say as soon as possible would have been before the go around.. EX500rider Jan 2 #28
This was posted over at Airliners.net: EX500rider Jan 11 #30
Crazy year for air crashes RazorbackExpat Dec 31 #24
Very sad Demovictory9 Dec 31 #26
Well the crash investigation just got a lot harder: EX500rider Jan 11 #29
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