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EX500rider

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27. Yeah I lean towards pilot error/bad CRM
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:03 PM
Jan 11

Red-eye with a green Co-pilot not the best time for issues, plus Korean airlines have had CRM issues in the past. (Crew Resource Mang)

Also a go-around may have been the wrong move:

The final report of the bird strike accident of Ryanair 4102 on short final has some interesting suggestions, what do do, when you encounter bird strike on short final:

Quote Boeing's recommendations (page 90):

In case of bird strikes during approach or landing, the following suggestion is given: "If the landing is assured continuing the approcah to landing is the preferred option..."

Quote fron Airbus' recommendations (page 91):

The prevention strategies indicated in this regard suggest, in case of birds presence in short final, not to go around, but to penetrate/fly through the flock and continue for landing, trying to maintain a low engine setting."

Quote from the UK CAA recommendations (page 91):

At approach thrust settings ingested birds may baypass the engine core via the fan reducing the likelihood of serious damage. If birds are encountered at approach thrust settings and landing can be made with that thrust setting, continue through the flock and complete the landing.

So it looks like hitting birds at TOGA settings is the worst case.

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Just how in the hell does this happen? Codifer Jan 11 #1
S. Korean's probably deleted last 4 minutes then sent to NTSB afterwards. Whoops. spudspud Jan 11 #21
Not possible... regnaD kciN Jan 11 #28
It's happened more than once EX500rider Jan 12 #30
Are you saying there is no possible way to have removed the data then damaged it so the NTSB could repair it afterwards spudspud Jan 12 #31
And why would the South Korean Transportation Ministry do that? EX500rider Jan 12 #36
How it could have happened? Scully Jan 11 #22
This is an interesting analysis wackadoo wabbit Jan 11 #23
Yeah I lean towards pilot error/bad CRM EX500rider Jan 11 #27
And on top of that blowing the teardrop back to the field, ending up way long & fast EX500rider Jan 12 #37
Something Bad Happened on this Plane Oneear Jan 11 #2
Not buying it. Irish_Dem Jan 11 #3
And they DID "withstand" it... regnaD kciN Jan 11 #29
Do you think there's a cover up? PJMcK Jan 12 #33
Any time a malfunction results in someone making a huge amount of money Irish_Dem Jan 12 #34
But neither the airport nor the airline would have had control of the boxes EX500rider Jan 12 #35
Yeah, that's the ticket! Prairie Gates Jan 11 #4
It's sometimes months before the boxes are found dickthegrouch Jan 11 #5
Don't think any of this is going to be a Boeing issue EX500rider Jan 11 #13
I was curious. Igel Jan 11 #17
It has to have an internal battery failsafe. I see TWO investigations. Festivito Jan 11 #6
Actually they don't have internal batteries. Angleae Jan 11 #7
Me thinks something stinks in this story. I guess the engineers that designed flashman13 Jan 11 #8
If an aircraft experiences a total power failure VMA131Marine Jan 11 #10
If all that you have is the battery that last thing you want to do is try and start the APU. Angleae Jan 11 #11
From what i have read the black boxes are not on the short list of the things the batteries power EX500rider Jan 12 #38
Boeing again.... yardwork Jan 11 #9
Don't think it will be a manufacturer issue in this case, more like pilot error EX500rider Jan 11 #14
Battery backup was a option for the data recorders before 2010 EX500rider Jan 11 #12
Shrapnel damage is obvious. BidenRocks Jan 11 #15
Wrong crash. Igel Jan 11 #18
Oops! BidenRocks Jan 11 #19
My understanding is that after the initial go around mn9driver Jan 11 #16
No, this whole thing happened in minutes EX500rider Jan 11 #24
Is there any way they could have been jammed orangecrush Jan 11 #20
Power loss by losing both gens, see my post#12 EX500rider Jan 11 #25
HelloooooOOOOOOOO ConspiracyLand!!!!! We've got a banger for you today! RockRaven Jan 11 #26
Don't tell me you think MAGA will find a way to put this on Biden?!?! OrwellwasRight Jan 12 #32
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