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In reply to the discussion: Mexico threatens to escalate US gunmakers lawsuit with terror charges [View all]BumRushDaShow
(148,537 posts)14. "It is two completely separate issues"
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The Family That Built an Empire of Pain
By Patrick Radden Keefe
October 23, 2017
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According to Forbes, the Sacklers are now one of Americas richest families, with a collective net worth of thirteen billion dollarsmore than the Rockefellers or the Mellons. The bulk of the Sacklers fortune has been accumulated only in recent decades, yet the source of their wealth is to most people as obscure as that of the robber barons. While the Sacklers are interviewed regularly on the subject of their generosity, they almost never speak publicly about the family business, Purdue Pharmaa privately held company, based in Stamford, Connecticut, that developed the prescription painkiller OxyContin. Upon its release, in 1995, OxyContin was hailed as a medical breakthrough, a long-lasting narcotic that could help patients suffering from moderate to severe pain. The drug became a blockbuster, and has reportedly generated some thirty-five billion dollars in revenue for Purdue.
(snip)
Almost immediately after OxyContins release, there were signs that people were abusing it in rural areas like Maine and Appalachia. If you ground the pills up and snorted them, or dissolved them in liquid and injected them, you could override the time-release mechanism and deliver a huge narcotic payload all at once. Perversely, users could learn about such methods by reading a warning label that came with each prescription, which said, Taking broken, chewed or crushed OxyContin tablets could lead to the rapid release and absorption of a potentially toxic dose. As more and more doctors prescribed OxyContin for an ever-greater range of symptoms, some patients began selling their pills on the black market, where the street price was a dollar a milligram. Doctors who were easily manipulated by their patientsor corrupted by the money in playset up so-called pill mills, pain clinics that thrived on a wholesale business of issuing OxyContin prescriptions.
The company did not pull the drug from shelves, however, or acknowledge that it was addictive. Instead, Purdue insisted that the only problem was that recreational drug users were not taking OxyContin as directed. Their rap has always been that a bunch of junkies ruined their product, Keith Humphreys, the Stanford professor, said. In 2001, Michael Friedman, Purdues executive vice-president, testified before a congressional hearing convened to look into the alarming increase in opioid abuse. The marketing of OxyContin had been conservative by any standard, he maintained. Virtually all of these reports involve people who are abusing the medication, not patients with legitimate medical needs.
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Perhaps the most surprising aspect of Quinoness investigation is the similarities he finds between the tactics of the unassuming, business-minded Mexican heroin peddlers, the so-called Xalisco boys, and the slick corporate sales force of Purdue. When the Xalisco boys arrived in a new town, they identified their market by seeking out the local methadone clinic. Purdue, using I.M.S. data, similarly targeted populations that were susceptible to its product. Mitchel Denham, the Kentucky lawyer, told me that Purdue pinpointed communities where there is a lot of poverty and a lack of education and opportunity, adding, They were looking at numbers that showed these people have work-related injuries, they go to the doctor more often, they get treatment for pain. The Xalisco boys offered potential customers free samples of their product. So did Purdue. When it first introduced OxyContin, the company created a program that encouraged doctors to issue coupons for a free initial prescription. By the time Purdue discontinued the program, four years later, thirty-four thousand coupons had been redeemed.
By Patrick Radden Keefe
October 23, 2017
(snip)
According to Forbes, the Sacklers are now one of Americas richest families, with a collective net worth of thirteen billion dollarsmore than the Rockefellers or the Mellons. The bulk of the Sacklers fortune has been accumulated only in recent decades, yet the source of their wealth is to most people as obscure as that of the robber barons. While the Sacklers are interviewed regularly on the subject of their generosity, they almost never speak publicly about the family business, Purdue Pharmaa privately held company, based in Stamford, Connecticut, that developed the prescription painkiller OxyContin. Upon its release, in 1995, OxyContin was hailed as a medical breakthrough, a long-lasting narcotic that could help patients suffering from moderate to severe pain. The drug became a blockbuster, and has reportedly generated some thirty-five billion dollars in revenue for Purdue.
(snip)
Almost immediately after OxyContins release, there were signs that people were abusing it in rural areas like Maine and Appalachia. If you ground the pills up and snorted them, or dissolved them in liquid and injected them, you could override the time-release mechanism and deliver a huge narcotic payload all at once. Perversely, users could learn about such methods by reading a warning label that came with each prescription, which said, Taking broken, chewed or crushed OxyContin tablets could lead to the rapid release and absorption of a potentially toxic dose. As more and more doctors prescribed OxyContin for an ever-greater range of symptoms, some patients began selling their pills on the black market, where the street price was a dollar a milligram. Doctors who were easily manipulated by their patientsor corrupted by the money in playset up so-called pill mills, pain clinics that thrived on a wholesale business of issuing OxyContin prescriptions.
The company did not pull the drug from shelves, however, or acknowledge that it was addictive. Instead, Purdue insisted that the only problem was that recreational drug users were not taking OxyContin as directed. Their rap has always been that a bunch of junkies ruined their product, Keith Humphreys, the Stanford professor, said. In 2001, Michael Friedman, Purdues executive vice-president, testified before a congressional hearing convened to look into the alarming increase in opioid abuse. The marketing of OxyContin had been conservative by any standard, he maintained. Virtually all of these reports involve people who are abusing the medication, not patients with legitimate medical needs.
(snip)
Perhaps the most surprising aspect of Quinoness investigation is the similarities he finds between the tactics of the unassuming, business-minded Mexican heroin peddlers, the so-called Xalisco boys, and the slick corporate sales force of Purdue. When the Xalisco boys arrived in a new town, they identified their market by seeking out the local methadone clinic. Purdue, using I.M.S. data, similarly targeted populations that were susceptible to its product. Mitchel Denham, the Kentucky lawyer, told me that Purdue pinpointed communities where there is a lot of poverty and a lack of education and opportunity, adding, They were looking at numbers that showed these people have work-related injuries, they go to the doctor more often, they get treatment for pain. The Xalisco boys offered potential customers free samples of their product. So did Purdue. When it first introduced OxyContin, the company created a program that encouraged doctors to issue coupons for a free initial prescription. By the time Purdue discontinued the program, four years later, thirty-four thousand coupons had been redeemed.
Before fentanyl was a "thing" as a street drug, there was oxycontin (and its variants).
If you want to look at a "cartel", the Saklers are it.
Yes, the J6 crap was abhorrent. That does not change the fact that Mexico has a huge drug and cartel problem, and it is incredibly odd that the Mexican government would be retaliating based on another country doing things to shut down the cartels.
It's even odder knowing that the United States has a FAR BIGGER drug cartel problem because not only do we get the "illegal" stuff imported from places OTHER THAN Mexico (like Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Colombia) but we manufacture the "high end" finished product type that ends up out in streets in pill form, dispensed from pharmacies using bogus scripts. Then you can couple that with a gun cartel that can't be stopped, and we dwarf anywhere else in the world.
And because of this, the crack downs on distribution have negatively impacted those people who truly need pain relief, and who have to jump through a myriad of hurdles to get it.
Lets just be a little intellectually honest about it and not immediately default to assuming anything the orange menace does is automatically something we as a country should be against. I mean, 99 out of 100 times that is correct, but this situation seems to be an exception.
No we actually NEED to be "intellectually HONEST" and realize who is consistently in the list of among the LARGEST pharma nations in the world -

We call EVERYONE ELSE around us "terrorists" and this country is a master at terrorism.
This is the obvious type that was never officially called "domestic terrorism" -

And after well over a century, a LAW against lynching was FINALLY signed by President Joe Biden -
Emmett Till Antilynching Act 117th Congress (2021-2022)
People in glass houses should not throw stones.
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Mexico threatens to escalate US gunmakers lawsuit with terror charges [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Feb 14
OP
As they should. If those entities are terrorist organizations, then US gun sellers
RockRaven
Feb 14
#2
Agree completely. The US always wants to pretend they aren't the source of these problems.
travelingthrulife
Feb 15
#12
Why does everyone keep threatening to do things. Just fucking do it already.
Baitball Blogger
Feb 14
#4
"The cartels are dangerous. I don't understand the point you are trying to make"
BumRushDaShow
Feb 16
#16