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In reply to the discussion: 'Dictator S**t': Trump's Middle-Of-The-Night Meltdown Nulling Biden Pardons Is Slammed [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(174,708 posts)52. MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have
Donald Trump doesnt have the authority to invalidate Joe Bidens pardons. The Republican is apparently simply asserting the right anyway.
If you're just getting up, shortly after midnight, Trump simply asserted that he has the authority to invalidate some of Biden's pardons â which is every bit as radical and bonkers as it seems. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-03-17T12:04:40.050Z
If you're just getting up, shortly after midnight, Trump simply asserted that he has the authority to invalidate some of Biden's pardons which is every bit as radical and bonkers as it seems
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-says-s-invalidating-biden-pardons-claiming-power-doesnt-rcna196671
Theres a lot to unpack in this 158-word harangue, and theres probably no point in highlighting every individual error of fact and judgment. The bottom line, however, is relatively straightforward: Trump claims that Biden didnt actually sign pardons for members of the bipartisan House Jan. 6 committee, so as far as the Republican is concerned, prosecutors are free to go after them, despite the fact that theres literally no evidence that they did anything wrong.
The entire pitch is based on the presidents apparent belief that (a) his immediate predecessor used an autopen to sign the pardons; (b) documents signed by autopens dont count; and (c) Biden suffered from mental deterioration to such a horrific degree that he wasnt aware of his own policies and preferences.
The first point is dubious, given that theres no evidence that Biden used the tool to issue the pardons; the second point appears unsupported by law; and the third point is offensive on its face.
But lets also not lose sight of the forest for the trees: For the first time in American history, a sitting president is asserting the right to invalidate a predecessors pardons.
In other words, as the United States deals with a sustained offensive against the rule of law, Trump has made up a new power for himself that does not exist.
To be sure, theres often a disconnect between what Trump says hes doing and what hes actually doing. The Republican has now claimed in writing that hes voiding some Biden-era pardons, but given recent history, its entirely possible that in the coming hours and days, the White House will pretend he never actually published such a message. Perhaps, in other words, this radicalism will soon be forgotten.
But if Trump seriously takes steps to undo Biden's pardons, because he feels like it, the coming fight will be dramatic.
The entire pitch is based on the presidents apparent belief that (a) his immediate predecessor used an autopen to sign the pardons; (b) documents signed by autopens dont count; and (c) Biden suffered from mental deterioration to such a horrific degree that he wasnt aware of his own policies and preferences.
The first point is dubious, given that theres no evidence that Biden used the tool to issue the pardons; the second point appears unsupported by law; and the third point is offensive on its face.
But lets also not lose sight of the forest for the trees: For the first time in American history, a sitting president is asserting the right to invalidate a predecessors pardons.
In other words, as the United States deals with a sustained offensive against the rule of law, Trump has made up a new power for himself that does not exist.
To be sure, theres often a disconnect between what Trump says hes doing and what hes actually doing. The Republican has now claimed in writing that hes voiding some Biden-era pardons, but given recent history, its entirely possible that in the coming hours and days, the White House will pretend he never actually published such a message. Perhaps, in other words, this radicalism will soon be forgotten.
But if Trump seriously takes steps to undo Biden's pardons, because he feels like it, the coming fight will be dramatic.
Even though trump's full tweet was in this article, I did not include it in this post. I do my best to NOT post trump's rants directly,
I have seen that trump really wants to go after Liz Cheney and other J6 Committee members. If trump tries to claim that pardons he dislikes are invalid, it will be a fun fight.
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'Dictator S**t': Trump's Middle-Of-The-Night Meltdown Nulling Biden Pardons Is Slammed [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
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If this is taken seriously by the DOJ and they if prosecute the members of the Jan 6 Committee
tetedur
Mar 2025
#5
Bullseye - In Point Of Fact It Does Just The Opposite - It Emboldens The Fascists Further
MayReasonRule
Mar 2025
#15
Yes, and Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time!
Emrys
Mar 2025
#40
The principle is the same. A president's hand doesn't need hold a pen contacting paper for it the signature be valid.
Emrys
Mar 2025
#64
The implications of this are obvious. I'd bet everything I own that shitler used an autopen
Mc Mike
Mar 2025
#30
The Heritage Foundation actually has some educated people who READ the news and know how to research
FakeNoose
Mar 2025
#59
First FUCK TRUMP......see I can do what he does ..............second what size helmet rubber does he wear.............
turbinetree
Mar 2025
#45
.....A week ago, the Heritage Foundation, one of Washington's leading conservative think tanks and behind much of this a
riversedge
Mar 2025
#47
Would this mean that all of trumps pardons can be nulled and voided also ?
republianmushroom
Mar 2025
#49
MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2025
#52
This is manufactured like the nonsense he spewed about everyone else "using a teleprompter"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#55