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In reply to the discussion: 'Dictator S**t': Trump's Middle-Of-The-Night Meltdown Nulling Biden Pardons Is Slammed [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(164,292 posts)52. MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have
Donald Trump doesn’t have the authority to invalidate Joe Biden’s pardons. The Republican is apparently simply asserting the right anyway.
If you're just getting up, shortly after midnight, Trump simply asserted that he has the authority to invalidate some of Biden's pardons – which is every bit as radical and bonkers as it seems
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-says-s-invalidating-biden-pardons-claiming-power-doesnt-rcna196671
There’s a lot to unpack in this 158-word harangue, and there’s probably no point in highlighting every individual error of fact and judgment. The bottom line, however, is relatively straightforward: Trump claims that Biden didn’t actually sign pardons for members of the bipartisan House Jan. 6 committee, so as far as the Republican is concerned, prosecutors are free to go after them, despite the fact that there’s literally no evidence that they did anything wrong.
The entire pitch is based on the president’s apparent belief that (a) his immediate predecessor used an autopen to sign the pardons; (b) documents signed by autopens don’t count; and (c) Biden suffered from mental deterioration to such a horrific degree that he wasn’t aware of his own policies and preferences.
The first point is dubious, given that there’s no evidence that Biden used the tool to issue the pardons; the second point appears unsupported by law; and the third point is offensive on its face.
But let’s also not lose sight of the forest for the trees: For the first time in American history, a sitting president is asserting the right to invalidate a predecessor’s pardons.
In other words, as the United States deals with a sustained offensive against the rule of law, Trump has made up a new power for himself that does not exist.
To be sure, there’s often a disconnect between what Trump says he’s doing and what he’s actually doing. The Republican has now claimed in writing that he’s voiding some Biden-era pardons, but given recent history, it’s entirely possible that in the coming hours and days, the White House will pretend he never actually published such a message. Perhaps, in other words, this radicalism will soon be forgotten.
But if Trump seriously takes steps to undo Biden's pardons, because he feels like it, the coming fight will be dramatic.
The entire pitch is based on the president’s apparent belief that (a) his immediate predecessor used an autopen to sign the pardons; (b) documents signed by autopens don’t count; and (c) Biden suffered from mental deterioration to such a horrific degree that he wasn’t aware of his own policies and preferences.
The first point is dubious, given that there’s no evidence that Biden used the tool to issue the pardons; the second point appears unsupported by law; and the third point is offensive on its face.
But let’s also not lose sight of the forest for the trees: For the first time in American history, a sitting president is asserting the right to invalidate a predecessor’s pardons.
In other words, as the United States deals with a sustained offensive against the rule of law, Trump has made up a new power for himself that does not exist.
To be sure, there’s often a disconnect between what Trump says he’s doing and what he’s actually doing. The Republican has now claimed in writing that he’s voiding some Biden-era pardons, but given recent history, it’s entirely possible that in the coming hours and days, the White House will pretend he never actually published such a message. Perhaps, in other words, this radicalism will soon be forgotten.
But if Trump seriously takes steps to undo Biden's pardons, because he feels like it, the coming fight will be dramatic.
Even though trump's full tweet was in this article, I did not include it in this post. I do my best to NOT post trump's rants directly,
I have seen that trump really wants to go after Liz Cheney and other J6 Committee members. If trump tries to claim that pardons he dislikes are invalid, it will be a fun fight.
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'Dictator S**t': Trump's Middle-Of-The-Night Meltdown Nulling Biden Pardons Is Slammed [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Mar 17
OP
If this is taken seriously by the DOJ and they if prosecute the members of the Jan 6 Committee
tetedur
Mar 17
#5
Bullseye - In Point Of Fact It Does Just The Opposite - It Emboldens The Fascists Further
MayReasonRule
Mar 17
#15
Yes, and Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time!
Emrys
Mar 17
#40
The principle is the same. A president's hand doesn't need hold a pen contacting paper for it the signature be valid.
Emrys
Mar 18
#64
The implications of this are obvious. I'd bet everything I own that shitler used an autopen
Mc Mike
Mar 17
#30
The Heritage Foundation actually has some educated people who READ the news and know how to research
FakeNoose
Mar 17
#59
First FUCK TRUMP......see I can do what he does ..............second what size helmet rubber does he wear.............
turbinetree
Mar 17
#45
.....A week ago, the Heritage Foundation, one of Washington's leading conservative think tanks and behind much of this a
riversedge
Mar 17
#47
Would this mean that all of trumps pardons can be nulled and voided also ?
republianmushroom
Mar 17
#49
MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 17
#52
This is manufactured like the nonsense he spewed about everyone else "using a teleprompter"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 17
#55