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H2O Man

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22. Great question.There has
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:23 AM
Mar 2025

been a lot of debate about exactly that since shortly after Muhammad regained the crown.

First, I won't say I'm totally objective. I was in high school. In social studies, the teacher said Foreman would KO Ali. I said, "Put your money where your mouth is." So we bet. Three guys in the class wanted in on it. Now, I was a poor kid. No money. Couldn't have paid if George won. The next day, I brought a brown paper lunch bag to class, and collected on all four bets.

Now, I put Big George only after Ali in "who would beat who" among heavyweight champions -- tied with Liston, just ahead of Louis. But he was mentally damaged -- not physically -- after that loss. Yes, he fought an all-time great war with Ron Lyle. But most of his fights, he was not stable mentally. Remember the gimmick of fighting five guys the same day. Then in what was supposed to be a warm-up for a second Ali fight, Jimmy Young beat him. Then the retirement, before his historic comeback.

Ali was -- in my opinion -- the mentally strongest fighter of the modern era -- maybe ever. So while George was always dangerous, I'd favor Ali. He was physically a lot stronger than people understood --- because the young Ali rarely got hit, and had supreme confidence. In the second half, people came to understand how tough he was. Liston had only really hit him in the 5th round of their first fight, and Dundee later said they really hurt (then) Cassius. But the next round, he knocked the shit out of Liston. With Foreman, Ali did the rope-a-dope. Just as it seemed insane to fight Liston with his hands at his side, imagine letting Big George throw bombs at you, waiting for him to tire. Then knocking the shit out of him! Crazy.

Greatest of respect for both of them!

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I thought he had died years ago. mwmisses4289 Mar 2025 #1
Nonsense. H2O Man Mar 2025 #4
They were all named George or Georgette Polybius Mar 2025 #8
He struck me as a gentle giant bagimin Mar 2025 #9
Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #33
I have one of his grills... Archae Mar 2025 #2
Same here with the grill. That said, George seemed oasis Mar 2025 #5
I bought 4 of his grills! LSparkle Mar 2025 #11
The only kitchen "gadget" I own. I don't admit this publically, but I like it a lot and use it. marble falls Mar 2025 #20
I resisted(I see no use for 95% of kitchen gadgets) after we were gifted ours. didn't use it for a year ... marble falls Mar 2025 #21
I was gifted one too, and didn't care for it. RockRaven Mar 2025 #28
Hate to hear that. He was a really good person, helping poor kids particularly. Silent Type Mar 2025 #3
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2025 #6
Do you think he could have won a rematch against Ali? StevieM Mar 2025 #16
Great question.There has H2O Man Mar 2025 #22
Follow-up questions about some recent research that I did. StevieM Mar 2025 #36
More good questions! H2O Man Mar 2025 #38
Thanks for sharing the memories. pat_k Mar 2025 #18
Much respect for boxing. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #7
Forty five years ago I was managing a store in the, then, Gordon Jewelry chain. rsdsharp Mar 2025 #10
My Dad met Jack Dempsey when Dad was a teenager. Archae Mar 2025 #13
Both a great boxer and a gentle giant. May George Foreman Rest iluvtennis Mar 2025 #12
All prize fighting has been fixed forever DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #14
silly H2O Man Mar 2025 #15
Silly?????????? DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #17
What you said H2O Man Mar 2025 #23
Here's a little secret about conspiracies Polybius Mar 2025 #34
Need to explain that to Philly Eagles fans.......... Bengus81 Mar 2025 #35
He was a great boxer. And seemed a decent person. marble falls Mar 2025 #19
May he rest in peace LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #24
Rumble In The Jungle dawgdan Mar 2025 #25
I don't follow sports but I always liked him Raine Mar 2025 #26
He took care of his kids. SalamanderSleeps Mar 2025 #27
Big man, big smile, big spirit. yonder Mar 2025 #29
Heard this on the news as I was going offline last night BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #30
George Clouds Passing Mar 2025 #31
Rest in peace, George Foreman FakeNoose Mar 2025 #32
RIP "Big George" Foreman (1949-2025) LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #37
George Foreman had a remarkable transformation GenThePerservering Mar 2025 #39
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