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In reply to the discussion: U.S. payrolls rise by 228,000 in March, but unemployment rate increases to 4.2% [View all]BumRushDaShow
(154,273 posts)29. "The national job numbers are calculated by plugging the survey responses into a mathematical formula. "
You need to COMPILE the survey responses and calculate to produce reports. I have had to do this in my later years at my agency (and even had to get some of it down to "1-pagers" ).
Regarding this -
If you're trying to get at this issue:
Final employment numbers for March won’t be out until May. BLS revises its payroll survey data in each of the two months following an initial release. BLS revises the data using additional survey responses that come in late, and by making further seasonal adjustments.
that has happened since the beginning of the survey and really has nothing to do with disasters. The survey has a very tight window in which employers can respond and be used in the preliminary estimates. Some employers are never able to meet that window, meaning their responses only ever go into the calculations of the revised numbers. And to be clear this has to do with survey responses from employers NOT "returns" from states.
I do know there are "revisions" but also (since I post these almost every month) that there will be "missing data" ( "late" ) for whatever reason, which HAS included due to weather-related issues. That gets rectified in a revision. THAT is all I am saying. The revisions refine the data.
The point is that BLS is compiling and reporting what they receive and is not personally generating their own numbers
I'll give you a little leeway here due to your misuse of the word compiling but you are still wrong. I already explained that that the survey responses are plugged into mathematical formulas to generate the jobs "estimates". BLS does not report what they receive - the individual survey responses are what BLS receives and they are never reported. By plugging the survey responses into mathematical formulas, BLS does, in fact, generate the jobs numbers themselves.
I'll give you a little leeway here due to your misuse of the word compiling but you are still wrong. I already explained that that the survey responses are plugged into mathematical formulas to generate the jobs "estimates". BLS does not report what they receive - the individual survey responses are what BLS receives and they are never reported. By plugging the survey responses into mathematical formulas, BLS does, in fact, generate the jobs numbers themselves.
Plugging into mathematical formulas = "calculating".

The CT is that people are "fudging" the calculations. But you keep on avoiding that original issue being argued, which was the CT, which I was rejecting.

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U.S. payrolls rise by 228,000 in March, but unemployment rate increases to 4.2% [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Apr 4
OP
The ADP numbers are "actuals" for about 20% of the private workforce. How they estimate the other 80%
progree
Apr 4
#10
And both surveys were taken in the week containing March 12, if the usual practice was followed
progree
Apr 4
#8
"The national job numbers are calculated by plugging the survey responses into a mathematical formula. "
BumRushDaShow
Apr 4
#29
I'm delurking long enough to note that this week's report on unemployment claims numbers is here too.
mahatmakanejeeves
Apr 4
#27
The "health" cuts just started up towards the end of last month and into this month
BumRushDaShow
Apr 4
#12