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BumRushDaShow

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29. "The national job numbers are calculated by plugging the survey responses into a mathematical formula. "
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:40 PM
Apr 4

You need to COMPILE the survey responses and calculate to produce reports. I have had to do this in my later years at my agency (and even had to get some of it down to "1-pagers" ).

Regarding this -

If you're trying to get at this issue:
Final employment numbers for March won’t be out until May. BLS revises its payroll survey data in each of the two months following an initial release. BLS revises the data using additional survey responses that come in late, and by making further seasonal adjustments.
that has happened since the beginning of the survey and really has nothing to do with disasters. The survey has a very tight window in which employers can respond and be used in the preliminary estimates. Some employers are never able to meet that window, meaning their responses only ever go into the calculations of the revised numbers. And to be clear this has to do with survey responses from employers NOT "returns" from states.


I do know there are "revisions" but also (since I post these almost every month) that there will be "missing data" ( "late" ) for whatever reason, which HAS included due to weather-related issues. That gets rectified in a revision. THAT is all I am saying. The revisions refine the data.

The point is that BLS is compiling and reporting what they receive and is not personally generating their own numbers
I'll give you a little leeway here due to your misuse of the word compiling but you are still wrong. I already explained that that the survey responses are plugged into mathematical formulas to generate the jobs "estimates". BLS does not report what they receive - the individual survey responses are what BLS receives and they are never reported. By plugging the survey responses into mathematical formulas, BLS does, in fact, generate the jobs numbers themselves.


Plugging into mathematical formulas = "calculating".

The CT is that people are "fudging" the calculations. But you keep on avoiding that original issue being argued, which was the CT, which I was rejecting.

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An independent group gab13by13 Apr 4 #1
yep. nt ImNotGod Apr 4 #4
That other group mainly polls their own subscribers BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #7
The ADP numbers are "actuals" for about 20% of the private workforce. How they estimate the other 80% progree Apr 4 #10
How can so many people get laid off and the numbers rise? Weird? walkingman Apr 4 #2
A lot of them may not have filed for UE yet due to court rulings BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #6
And both surveys were taken in the week containing March 12, if the usual practice was followed progree Apr 4 #8
And there have been a billion court rulings over that time BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #9
UE #'s TalentAgency Apr 4 #13
Most data is by "survey" BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #16
Wrong. Wiz Imp Apr 4 #18
BLS does their various "surveys" BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #20
No. You are completely 100% wrong Wiz Imp Apr 4 #23
"jobs numbers are calculated by BLS employees located in DC " BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #25
I don't know why you refuse to accept it, but you still have several facts wrong. Wiz Imp Apr 4 #28
"The national job numbers are calculated by plugging the survey responses into a mathematical formula. " BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #29
OK. One last response and I'm done. Wiz Imp Apr 4 #30
"How is that ignoring it?" BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #31
I'm delurking long enough to note that this week's report on unemployment claims numbers is here too. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 4 #27
Are the drumpf administration numbers reliable? biophile Apr 4 #3
to answer, no, there is no way he will allow any negative reports. nt ImNotGod Apr 4 #5
At this point, I'm inclined to say they are still honest Wiz Imp Apr 4 #19
Who's hiring? mdbl Apr 4 #11
The "health" cuts just started up towards the end of last month and into this month BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #12
From the source, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 4 #14
The economy is propelled by the last of the momentum Marthe48 Apr 4 #15
The last sputtering gasps of the Biden Boom! Finished in 2 months by an orange bloated lying fraudster wolfie001 Apr 4 #17
I just saw in the linked article from CNBC Wiz Imp Apr 4 #21
But how many have been reinstated by the courts? BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #22
The best I can tell about 25,000 have been reinstated by the courts. Wiz Imp Apr 4 #24
I found the NYT is doing a running tally and apparently the "275,000" is just an "announced" number BumRushDaShow Apr 4 #26
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