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Bluetus

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19. Sodium and Lithium both have 1 valence electron
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 03:21 PM
Apr 4

So their charging properties should be similar. The main difference is that sodium has much greater atomic weight (I.e. more dead weight for that one productive electron).

However, charging speed depends on many factors. And at the same time CATL, BYD and others are moving to sodium, they are also working toward solid state or semi-solid state packages, and some of those can tolerate a much faster charging rate.

So far, Na-ion batteries should be considered experimental. There are a few EVs in production in China, but they are small city cars with limited range. For the moment, practically all EVs use either NMC (expensive, best range) or LFP (cheaper). It is common to have one model use LFP for lower trim levels and NMC for higher trim levels. By 2030, I expect lower priced cars will be mostly using Na-ion and the higher priced models using lithium, but in a solid state format.

The key thing for Americans to understand is that this is dominated by the CHinese, and to a lesser degree Korea and Japan. Tesla has never been a battery player. They already replied on Panasonic, and more recently have to buy a lot of product from CATL. This is all a direct result of the Limbaugh/Fox/Ailes RW machine that fought every attempt to drive energy leadership in the US. Now we are screwed. China will dominate this area for the rest of anybody's life who is reading this in 2025.

Well done, MAGA people.

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Therefore fair to ask why we need minerals from Greenland and Ukraine? /nt bucolic_frolic Apr 4 #1
The new oil Blackjackdavey Apr 4 #4
The chemistry is in flux Bluetus Apr 4 #6
Interesting Blackjackdavey Apr 4 #10
It means that sodium is plentiful. Bluetus Apr 4 #15
Have you read about Sodium ION? Interesting read Bengus81 Apr 4 #14
Yes. Things are moving very quickly. Bluetus Apr 4 #16
Yeah...hell Trump doesn't understand basic technology or even care. It's just money Bengus81 Apr 4 #17
Sodium and Lithium both have 1 valence electron Bluetus Apr 4 #19
Good points. The plutocrats exerting leverage to buy cheap. erronis Apr 4 #11
"Largely in republican areas." Good. Scrivener7 Apr 4 #2
The rest of the world will soon leave the US in the dust, technologically. sinkingfeeling Apr 4 #3
hey! the brilliant tech bros et tu Apr 4 #5
China already has when it come to EVs! much less expensive, much better quality than tesla and charge in 5 min PortTack Apr 4 #9
Also medical research and other scientific fields Martin Eden Apr 4 #18
I am simultaneously amused and disgusted to hear the routine asignment of the word... NNadir Apr 4 #7
Deliberately exacerbating catastrophic climate change Martin Eden Apr 4 #8
Electric cars have very little to do with addressing extreme global heating. Where I live, they're worse... NNadir Apr 5 #20
So we are now going to allow China to take the lead on EV's? Wow! n/t aggiesal Apr 4 #12
. dalton99a Apr 4 #13
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