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TygrBright

(21,149 posts)
41. Correct conclusion, incorrect reasoning.
Wed May 7, 2025, 01:49 PM
May 7

The US has made itself arms dealer to the world by prioritizing the development of ever-more-sophisticated (and expensive) military technology, and flogging off its previous-generation goodies to allies, partners, and (probably) under-the-table private dealers/middlemen. The idea being we'd always have the BEST toys and thus would always win.

This priority has dominated military planning, budgeting, and procurement since the end of WWII, enthusiastically helped by what Eisenhower pinpointed as the "military-industrial complex". That powerful alliance of tech-obsessed senior military (mostly from services other than the Army) and military tech oligarchs, has promoted the mindset that "the best tech wins the most wars" since the Nagasaki explosion.

Reality, however, has contradicted this doctrine multiple times. No matter how advanced a combatant's standoff weaponry might be, the actual process of taking real estate and real-estate based military strategic assets can ONLY be accomplished by the US military's most valuable and paradoxically undervalued asset: Infantry. Well-trained, well-equipped, highly-motivated, experienced infantry, thoroughly supported by both ordinary combat management logistics AND the application of superior standoff weapons supporting infantry operations.

We had our noses rubbed in this in Vietnam. We had our noses rubbed in this in Kuwait, in Fallujah, in Mogadishu, in Baghdad, in Afghanistan. Counterinsurgency can NEVER be successfully accomplished by technology alone, and almost all of our modern conflicts have a powerful counterinsurgency element.

So, dude is correct - the best possible investment of the U.S. military budget is the establishment of a recruiting, training, advanced training, logistics management and combat support network that makes and keeps a substantial force of Army and Marine Infantry, Mechanized Infantry, Airborne Infantry, Special Operations and Combined Operations units, sharp, trained, and ready for deployment under the widest possible variety of conditions.

This is NOT cheap. A new high-tech bomber or unmanned ordnance delivery system or some dumbshit like skynet or whatever would be cheap compared to the cost of letting the preparedness and effectiveness of an adequate Infantry personnel roster decline.

But he's making a poor case, and likely will be ignored.

resignedly,
Bright

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You need a Star Wars drone shield bucolic_frolic May 7 #1
We definitely need better defenses against drones William Seger May 7 #13
Mmmmmm Prairie Gates May 7 #2
Army Secretary Traildogbob May 7 #3
No worries, he still has his job as head of BATFE JustABozoOnThisBus May 7 #31
Oh shit...this is the beginning of Skynet. cayugafalls May 7 #4
Haha-- but we are making drones, and Ukraine has shown that drones are the future of warfare LymphocyteLover May 7 #33
If you see lightning and a ball of light then some naked dude, just run. cayugafalls May 7 #57
haha! What? LymphocyteLover May 8 #60
It was a cultural movie reference to the Terminator movies cayugafalls May 8 #61
And the other way? How many Russian weapons were taken out by US supplied weapons? IronLionZion May 7 #5
21st century is gonna be a trip....Climate Change, MAGA, drones, Trump, AI walkingman May 7 #6
Yup, amazing what we, humans, have become. republianmushroom May 7 #8
The movie iRobot with Will Smith, woke me up to the improbable possibilities, no longer improbable. ... aggiesal May 7 #36
But, think of all the congress critters in both parties who are heavily invested in military equipment companies. LiberalArkie May 7 #7
That and the location of these plants underpants May 7 #9
Just an aside Ponietz May 7 #32
On that note... ancianita May 7 #54
If you say so Ponietz May 7 #55
Ukraine has obliterated Russia's armament with drones. Basso8vb May 7 #10
Exactly. The Army secretary has a point. LymphocyteLover May 7 #34
Entire Defense Dept. to be a boondoggle for war profiteers Mysterian May 7 #11
Yep. The Spanish Armada had the same dilemma. Baitball Blogger May 7 #12
Nope. The US Army is also playing a propaganda game to make Russia think Ukraine's weaker than it is. ancianita May 7 #24
Ukraine has been successful in using drones against Russia. Baitball Blogger May 7 #37
I hear you. ancianita May 7 #56
The idiot has it ass backwards FredGarvin May 7 #14
He said the quiet part out loud. The Vids of drones blowing up armored vehicles are stunning. mackdaddy May 7 #15
I go on the UkraineWarVideoReport subreddit OnlinePoker May 7 #17
Ukraine's problem isn't defending armored vehicles FredGarvin May 7 #19
I keep saying Metaphorical May 7 #52
He needs to tell that to the defense contractors . . . AverageOldGuy May 7 #16
The Russians continue to rain down cheap Iranian drones and missiles FredGarvin May 7 #18
WHEN are we, as a species, going to realize..... lastlib May 7 #20
Unfortunately Marthe48 May 7 #23
Never. We're too dumb. Oneironaut May 7 #27
But we can sure chuck expensive aircraft overboard, apparently. ❤️ littlemissmartypants May 7 #21
Has he not been paying attention to Ukraine for the past couple of years? Iggo May 7 #22
He is just another Trump appointee (a.k.a. another unqualified moron). n/t xocetaceans May 7 #25
Broken clocks are right sometimes Ponietz May 7 #38
Please feel free to elaborate on the point that you seem to think that he is making and its merits. It is... xocetaceans May 7 #47
Cheap shots to attack my reading comprehension and need to fix myself Ponietz May 7 #48
Credibility? Who the hell has credibility on an anonymous board? Your sense of fiction is truly outstanding. xocetaceans May 8 #58
A drone gap? Harker May 7 #26
Uh huh! 3825-87867 May 7 #28
Butler Be Leave On May 7 #29
The confrontation is more likely the US and Russia against NATO as long as Mango Mussolini is in charge JT45242 May 7 #30
Hey BRDS DENVERPOPS May 7 #35
Your amoral "investment" strategy is noted and I denounce it Ponietz May 7 #39
Point noted, DENVERPOPS May 7 #43
Thanks for reply Ponietz May 7 #44
You are welcome DENVERPOPS May 7 #46
"It was hard to find information, but I found a privately held group with the name Carlisle(sp?)" BumRushDaShow May 7 #51
Wrong Takeaway North Coast Lawyer May 7 #40
The defense to drones DENVERPOPS May 7 #45
Correct conclusion, incorrect reasoning. TygrBright May 7 #41
Make 'em all drone pilots! marble falls May 7 #42
Welcome to the Military Industrial Complex TexasBushwhacker May 7 #49
Some weapons are more peacetime weapons than full scale war weapons. Norrrm May 7 #50
Store more Top Secrets at Mar-Lardo. Kid Berwyn May 7 #53
One way the Ukrainians have advanced their drone fleet has been through decentralized construction Emrys May 8 #59
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