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Emrys

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59. One way the Ukrainians have advanced their drone fleet has been through decentralized construction
Thu May 8, 2025, 06:46 AM
May 8

The Russians have been relying more on drones produced by a conventional model - centralized from a limited number of state sources, very reliant on technology from other countries, including China - and their troops have been complaining about how flatfooted they seem compared to developments in the Ukrainian campaign, where benign competition between developers constantly produces innovations.

The types of drones the Ukrainians have been deploying range from very cheap reinforced cardboard models developed in Australia to modified light aircraft capable of striking many hundreds of miles into Russian territory.

What's being played out in Ukraine and Russia is a much-accelerated Darwinian process of measure and countermeasure. There have been significant developments in electronic countermeasures against radio-controlled drones, followed by counter-countermeasures. The later advances on the Ukrainian side have involved building AI into drones so that if necessary, they can complete a final attack without need for contact with their bases. The major innovation the Russians developed before the Ukrainians was fibre-optic control, but the Ukrainians have quickly caught up. Drones can also have low-cost vulnerabilities, some being taken down by primitive and cheap means like a simple shotgun.

Now other countries are supplying Ukraine with ready-made drones in great numbers to supplement those it can produce itself, leading to the massive swarm attacks that have been swamping Russian air defences in recent months. In what could be interpreted as a feint, Ukraine has forced the Russians to concentrate their air defences around Moscow in the run-up to Putin's grand celebration, leaving other military targets relatively defenceless. Since the Ukrainians focus on military targets rather than population centres - the Russians have even been using/wasting drones in disputed territory to terrorize and kill individual civilians - they've been able to pick off some significant key locations in Russia's military infrastructure.

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You need a Star Wars drone shield bucolic_frolic May 7 #1
We definitely need better defenses against drones William Seger May 7 #13
Mmmmmm Prairie Gates May 7 #2
Army Secretary Traildogbob May 7 #3
No worries, he still has his job as head of BATFE JustABozoOnThisBus May 7 #31
Oh shit...this is the beginning of Skynet. cayugafalls May 7 #4
Haha-- but we are making drones, and Ukraine has shown that drones are the future of warfare LymphocyteLover May 7 #33
If you see lightning and a ball of light then some naked dude, just run. cayugafalls May 7 #57
haha! What? LymphocyteLover May 8 #60
It was a cultural movie reference to the Terminator movies cayugafalls May 8 #61
And the other way? How many Russian weapons were taken out by US supplied weapons? IronLionZion May 7 #5
21st century is gonna be a trip....Climate Change, MAGA, drones, Trump, AI walkingman May 7 #6
Yup, amazing what we, humans, have become. republianmushroom May 7 #8
The movie iRobot with Will Smith, woke me up to the improbable possibilities, no longer improbable. ... aggiesal May 7 #36
But, think of all the congress critters in both parties who are heavily invested in military equipment companies. LiberalArkie May 7 #7
That and the location of these plants underpants May 7 #9
Just an aside Ponietz May 7 #32
On that note... ancianita May 7 #54
If you say so Ponietz May 7 #55
Ukraine has obliterated Russia's armament with drones. Basso8vb May 7 #10
Exactly. The Army secretary has a point. LymphocyteLover May 7 #34
Entire Defense Dept. to be a boondoggle for war profiteers Mysterian May 7 #11
Yep. The Spanish Armada had the same dilemma. Baitball Blogger May 7 #12
Nope. The US Army is also playing a propaganda game to make Russia think Ukraine's weaker than it is. ancianita May 7 #24
Ukraine has been successful in using drones against Russia. Baitball Blogger May 7 #37
I hear you. ancianita May 7 #56
The idiot has it ass backwards FredGarvin May 7 #14
He said the quiet part out loud. The Vids of drones blowing up armored vehicles are stunning. mackdaddy May 7 #15
I go on the UkraineWarVideoReport subreddit OnlinePoker May 7 #17
Ukraine's problem isn't defending armored vehicles FredGarvin May 7 #19
I keep saying Metaphorical May 7 #52
He needs to tell that to the defense contractors . . . AverageOldGuy May 7 #16
The Russians continue to rain down cheap Iranian drones and missiles FredGarvin May 7 #18
WHEN are we, as a species, going to realize..... lastlib May 7 #20
Unfortunately Marthe48 May 7 #23
Never. We're too dumb. Oneironaut May 7 #27
But we can sure chuck expensive aircraft overboard, apparently. ❤️ littlemissmartypants May 7 #21
Has he not been paying attention to Ukraine for the past couple of years? Iggo May 7 #22
He is just another Trump appointee (a.k.a. another unqualified moron). n/t xocetaceans May 7 #25
Broken clocks are right sometimes Ponietz May 7 #38
Please feel free to elaborate on the point that you seem to think that he is making and its merits. It is... xocetaceans May 7 #47
Cheap shots to attack my reading comprehension and need to fix myself Ponietz May 7 #48
Credibility? Who the hell has credibility on an anonymous board? Your sense of fiction is truly outstanding. xocetaceans May 8 #58
A drone gap? Harker May 7 #26
Uh huh! 3825-87867 May 7 #28
Butler Be Leave On May 7 #29
The confrontation is more likely the US and Russia against NATO as long as Mango Mussolini is in charge JT45242 May 7 #30
Hey BRDS DENVERPOPS May 7 #35
Your amoral "investment" strategy is noted and I denounce it Ponietz May 7 #39
Point noted, DENVERPOPS May 7 #43
Thanks for reply Ponietz May 7 #44
You are welcome DENVERPOPS May 7 #46
"It was hard to find information, but I found a privately held group with the name Carlisle(sp?)" BumRushDaShow May 7 #51
Wrong Takeaway North Coast Lawyer May 7 #40
The defense to drones DENVERPOPS May 7 #45
Correct conclusion, incorrect reasoning. TygrBright May 7 #41
Make 'em all drone pilots! marble falls May 7 #42
Welcome to the Military Industrial Complex TexasBushwhacker May 7 #49
Some weapons are more peacetime weapons than full scale war weapons. Norrrm May 7 #50
Store more Top Secrets at Mar-Lardo. Kid Berwyn May 7 #53
One way the Ukrainians have advanced their drone fleet has been through decentralized construction Emrys May 8 #59
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