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pnwmom

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12. There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online.
Thu May 8, 2025, 10:48 PM
May 2025

And the Black Catholics I know are thrilled about this discovery. I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." They know why many people decided to "pass," once they moved out of a Black neighborhood.

The maternal side of Pope Leo XIV’s family can be traced back to at least the 1840s among “free people of color” in New Orleans, according to Jari C. Honora, a genealogist with the Historic New Orleans Collection, a research center documenting the city’s history.

Rep. Troy Carter, D-La., who represents New Orleans, also released a statement Thursday highlighting Pope Leo XIV’s “ancestral ties to our Creole and Haitian families,” saying he was proud “As a Black man” and “a proud son of New Orleans.”

Pope Leo XIV’s maternal grandparents, along with his mother’s older siblings, were “identified in records as Black or mulatto,” Honora told Forbes, but the family “passed … into a white racial identity” when they relocated to Chicago, where the pope’s mother—Mildred Martinez—was born in 1912.

. . . . Honora said in a Facebook post Thursday “Our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, has Creole of color roots from New Orleans on his mother's side!” He told The Times-Picayune a marriage license shows Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, the pope’s grandparents, married in 1887 at Our Lady of Sacred Heart church in New Orleans. Those records show Joseph Martinez listed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora told the newspaper. He added the family was listed as living at 1933 North Prieur St. in the city’s Seventh Ward, an area that was demolished during the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass, which critics say significantly disrupted vibrant Black neighborhoods in the city.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xivs-ancestry-celebrated-congressman-genealogist-tout-possible-creole-black-roots/


Honora tracked down a marriage license that showed the Pope's maternal grandparents, Joseph Martinez and Louise Baquié, were wed at Our Lady of Sacred Heart on Annette Street in 1887. Joseph Martinez claimed Haiti as his birthplace, Honora said, "which could very much be true, given the back-and-forth that has always existed between New Orleans and Haiti. Or he could have deeper New Orleans roots. (I'm) still working on that."

During the 1900 U.S. census, the couple was listed as residing at 1933 North Prieur Street, a site later demolished due to the construction of the Claiborne Avenue overpass. They were also described as Black, and Joseph Martinez was said to have an occupation as a cigar maker.
About 10 years later, the family moved to Chicago, where the pope's mother was born.

"Martinez's older brothers and sisters were all born in New Orleans, in the 7th Ward," Honora said. "They moved to Chicago between 1910 and 1912, and like so many Louisiana families, they shifted their racial identity. They moved to a big metropolis and go about what people assume you are."

https://www.nola.com/news/first-american-pope-roots-new-orleans/article_3c7bfdf1-8f69-452e-af01-90aa012366df.html#tncms-source=featured-top

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I wonder JustAnotherGen May 2025 #1
yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin May 2025 #2
The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom May 2025 #4
He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad May 2025 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom May 2025 #11
There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom May 2025 #12
and you prove my point ... stopdiggin May 2025 #15
I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom May 2025 #16
and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin May 2025 #20
I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad May 2025 #21
But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom May 2025 #23
You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad May 2025 #24
I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom May 2025 #25
First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad May 2025 #29
It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom May 2025 #31
"glad he is claiming it" ... stopdiggin May 2025 #32
... Solly Mack May 2025 #3
That is so cool. Clouds Passing May 2025 #5
Better every minute!!! elleng May 2025 #6
LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom May 2025 #7
Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz May 2025 #9
I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee May 2025 #22
More to love about mzmolly May 2025 #10
TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha May 2025 #13
The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 May 2025 #14
Clickbait headline BaronChocula May 2025 #17
2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom May 2025 #18
Cool Kid Berwyn May 2025 #19
The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol May 2025 #26
A mongrel American just like me! SARose May 2025 #27
We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive May 2025 #28
I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty May 2025 #30
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