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moniss

(8,825 posts)
18. The problem with her and so many other MAGA/GQP people is
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:33 PM
Jun 2025

they take something that was a point of huge contention between Kennedy and Ben-Gurion and they extrapolate wildly from there. Kennedy did push hard behind the scenes for inspections and restraint in the Israeli nuclear program. Ben-Gurion and others lied about the program being only for peaceful purposes and running a desalinization project etc. But eventually his successors gave in to some less stringent program of inspections but only with a good amount of advance notice.

The French and British had been clandestinely helping the Israeli government up to a point from early on and there were other countries around the world who were involved in supporting the Israeli nuclear program. Norway was one. The French and the British were pretty well understood to be doing this to continue jockeying for influence of one over the other since both had lost their "Mandates" and the French and British influences in North Africa and Egypt in particular were very tenuous.

There is of course much more to the story but trying to lean on the idea that Ben-Gurion would have been "in on" or "directed" the killing of JFK is a stretch into fantasy in my opinion. That doesn't mean that terrorists like Begin were above horrendous killings of police and British officials in Palestine but like the other Israeli terrorists of that time I don't think he had the skills or depth of intellect to pull off something like that.

Basically it is felt that Israel had crude nuclear weapons devices by 1967 and continued to improve from there. More concerning but never really talked about in the media etc. is that Israel continued to develop missile systems and now has missiles that can hit all around the world. The reason that is concerning is that countries and people should be asking themselves "They say their existence is threatened by their neighbors in the region. OK because of violent strikes against you we can understand arming yourself against your neighbors. So why do you need missiles that can hit countries half way around the world from you that you simply have policy disagreements with?" How should countries feel is meant toward the countries around the world by the development of such an expanded reach? What is the message? Those are completely legitimate concerns because it is not rational to think that any nation invests the huge money this takes just for nothing.

"In January 2008, Israel carried out the successful test launch of a long-range, ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead from the reported launch site at the Palmachim Airbase south of Tel Aviv.[165] Israeli radio identified the missile as a Jericho III and the Hebrew YNet news Web site quoted unnamed defense officials as saying the test had been "dramatic"[166][167] and that the new missile can reach "extremely long distances", without elaborating.[168] Soon after the successful test launch, Isaac Ben-Israel, a retired army general and Tel Aviv University professor, told Israeli Channel 2 TV:

Everybody can do the math and understand that the significance is that we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world."

These are viable and pertinent questions to ask but loons like MTG hang into these crackpot theories about JFK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#Development_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#Delivery_systems




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So much popcorn warranted. NewHendoLib Jun 2025 #1
Danger of a popcorn overdose here. thought crime Jun 2025 #42
MTG is insane. She needs to stop her drug use. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #2
So odd angrychair Jun 2025 #3
RFK's brain worm has found a new home Blue Owl Jun 2025 #4
It'll starve if it stays more than a few days...... lastlib Jun 2025 #11
Or air. SergeStorms Jun 2025 #30
So, she thinks Israel took out JFK? She will say anything... hlthe2b Jun 2025 #5
Isn't she the one who pushed the "Jewish space lasers"? She is deranged. lostincalifornia Jun 2025 #6
Yeah, that's what's going on, Marge. tanyev Jun 2025 #7
If Mark Levin is the person who hosts . . . John1956PA Jun 2025 #8
Levin is as nutty as MTG, just a different flavor of nutty...n/t the nelm Jun 2025 #32
Marge, what did your friend Jesus say about welcoming strangers and feeding the hungry Walleye Jun 2025 #9
Post removed Post removed Jun 2025 #10
PLEASE STOP with the sexist slur words to describe her. There are plenty niyad Jun 2025 #14
Well-spotted Hekate Jun 2025 #20
Hello Canada Kid wyn borkins Jun 2025 #16
I see his post is still here Hekate Jun 2025 #26
Yes, and I see his post is still here as well (?) (n/t) wyn borkins Jun 2025 #28
See post 38. niyad Jun 2025 #39
Sadly, it seems that sexism and misogyny are still acceptable here, no niyad Jun 2025 #38
Right Hekate Jun 2025 #41
I never agree with her, but this book about her claim is extremely well documented: TheRickles Jun 2025 #12
Guyenot also claims that Mossad was behind 9/11. LudwigPastorius Jun 2025 #19
That fixation alone eliminates him from having his opinions taken seriously. Is he also onto the Rothschilds? Hekate Jun 2025 #22
Honestly, I haven't been able to stomach enough of his writing to know his opinion of the Rothschilds. LudwigPastorius Jun 2025 #23
You should see some of his other titles. Behind the Aegis Jun 2025 #43
Most likely it was conservatives who wanted to escalate in Vietnam and allow Israel to develop nuclear weapons. Martin68 Jun 2025 #13
proof and befre i forget, snork AllaN01Bear Jun 2025 #15
Here is the book that explains JFK's killing, factually Nigrum Cattus Jun 2025 #17
Thank you for that information. I just read some of the reviews, very niyad Jun 2025 #36
The problem with her and so many other MAGA/GQP people is moniss Jun 2025 #18
If that woman were any stupider she'd forget to breathe Hekate Jun 2025 #21
She is a prime example of why I think it a pity that breathing is an niyad Jun 2025 #37
These people are both certifiable Prairie Gates Jun 2025 #24
Stupid and a hypocrite. rickyhall Jun 2025 #25
What? No space lasers this time? nt ImNotGod Jun 2025 #27
Kennedy was shot in 1963 and Israel didn't have rhe bomb until the late 1970s Botany Jun 2025 #29
Trying to drum facts into Empty-G's head.... SergeStorms Jun 2025 #31
She and those like her live in a different world where facts are what you say they are Botany Jun 2025 #34
OMG - If there isn't an official MAGA straitjacket, there should be. This is whacko on so many levels. Vinca Jun 2025 #33
Stupid twit. Paladin Jun 2025 #35
😑 Stupid, vapid twit! electric_blue68 Jun 2025 #40
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