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SunSeeker

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7. This bill provision is unconstitutional, as it is retroactive to 2022, capturing Jack Smith's 2023 subpoenas.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 11:54 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Tue Nov 11, 2025, 12:46 AM - Edit history (3)

Worse, it apparently allows him to be individually sued for $500,000 if he did not give Senators notice of the subpoena within 60 days (he did not let them know until this year). And that liability would attach regardless of whether the subpoena was properly obtained. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/us/politics/senators-shutdown-smith-phone-searches.html

Because the provision is retroactive to 2022, it would appear to make eligible the eight senators whose phone records were subpoenaed by investigators for Smith as he examined efforts by Trump to obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 presidential election on 1/6/2021.

Each violation would be worth at least $500,000 in any legal claim, according to the bill language. The bill would also sharply limit the way the government could resist such a claim, taking away any government claims of qualified or sovereign immunity to fight a lawsuit over the issue.

The Republican senators whose phone records were subpoenaed as part of the investigation were: Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marsha Blackburn and Bill Hagerty of Tennessee, Josh Hawley of Missouri, Dan Sullivan of Alaska, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming. Representative Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania also had his phone records subpoenaed but would not be eligible because he is a member of the House. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/us/politics/senators-shutdown-smith-phone-searches.html


But these notice requirements did not exist in 2023. Making Smith retroactively liable for $500,000 per senator ($4M total!) is a blatant violation of due process. A retroactive civil law can be challenged under the Due Process Clause of the US Constitution for creating unforeseen liability for past actions, which is the same reasoning for the Constitution’s ban on retroactive (ex post facto) criminal laws.

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Fucking of course. There are probably land mines all over this. Drum Nov 2025 #1
6 weeks of dodging Town Halls. Here's what they were hatching instead... mpcamb Nov 2025 #23
Planning their smash and grab extortion plan. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #26
Yep, Schumer has to go, either he knew about it or should have. Either way he has to go. dem4decades Nov 2025 #29
The Dems that voted to allow this should have to pay the damages for this corruption. walkingman Nov 2025 #2
Seriously? What makes you think he'll lose this suit? ancianita Nov 2025 #12
I guess because I do not trust our justice system...especially at the higher levels. walkingman Nov 2025 #13
You guess? Forget the system. The DOJ just lost thousands of lawyers. ancianita Nov 2025 #15
If they can sue federal employees, why not go after the big guy? FakeNoose Nov 2025 #3
Skullduggery is their go-to. BurnDoubt Nov 2025 #4
Now begs the question: Polybius Nov 2025 #5
Important questions. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #6
Senators are cordial to each other, what a gift. dem4decades Nov 2025 #27
We know the answer to that question. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #28
This bill provision is unconstitutional, as it is retroactive to 2022, capturing Jack Smith's 2023 subpoenas. SunSeeker Nov 2025 #7
He'll handle this. It's doubtful Smith's going to be held liable by the DC District Court. ancianita Nov 2025 #11
But DOJ will happily pay these scumbag GOP insurrectionist senators $500k each. SunSeeker Nov 2025 #18
Not necessarily. Each senator will have to pay his own legal fees for making their case to the DC Circuit. ancianita Nov 2025 #22
The senators don't even need to file a lawsuit. They can just submit a government claim. SunSeeker Nov 2025 #24
I stand corrected. I thought I read that they each individually qualified to sue for damages. Sorry. ancianita Nov 2025 #25
But Lawrence said it was a win SamuelTheThird Nov 2025 #8
How about you link it. I watch Lawrence all the time and never once heard that. ancianita Nov 2025 #16
He didn't call it a win. He called it a compromise. nt SunSeeker Nov 2025 #19
It just keeps getting better. iemanja Nov 2025 #9
MaddowBlog-Republicans use spending bill to empower themselves to sue over phone records searches LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #10
Incredible Senate-ing here as senators make this applicable just to them, not House members LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #20
Thank you DINO's. republianmushroom Nov 2025 #14
Think they didn't read that bill? Who were the DINO's, huh? Name them. ancianita Nov 2025 #17
Very strange to think how this works karynnj Nov 2025 #21
I believe it was FBI investigators which makes it doubly puzzling FakeNoose Nov 2025 #30
Chip Roy wants this provision removed LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #31
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