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Emrys

(9,091 posts)
18. Driscoll, as is glaringly obvious, has no diplomatic experience whatsoever.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 02:48 PM
Nov 2025

As a further example of his simplistic thinking beyond the "it must be done sooner rather than later" bullshit, he's also explained away the lack of involvement of crucial international partners who have skin in the game - certainly more that the US has - in the following terms:



International affairs don't work like that and never have. If Driscoll knew anything about them at all and had any self-respect, he'd be too embarrassed to take the line he's been ordered to in front of a distracted bunch of young kids, let alone adults and seasoned negotiators with their countries' welfare on the line and the eyes of the world gazing worriedly on them.

I could rant at length at the moment, but I'm contracting that out to Michael Weiss, who's summing things up on Twitter, far better than I could:

Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

"The more cooks in the kitchen." Right. When you strip away the sheer nonsense of this plan, and get beyond the panic now gripping Europe and D.C., you realize what is being demanded by people with no background in diplomacy and no relationships with Western partners is this: Settling a 10 year war, re-litigating 30+ years of security architecture in Europe, deciding the permanent composition NATO, deciding how the EU will use and spend other people's frozen money -- with no Congressional oversight, no NATO consensus, and no official Russian buy-in on any of the foregoing. All done and dusted before the tryptophan kicks in on Thursday. Easy-peasy. https://politico.eu/article/ukraine-allies-rush-counter-trumps-non-starter-peace-plan/



Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

You don't get to say Europe should take on more responsibility for its own defense and security, only to see it do so, and then dictate the terms of Europe's defense and security without European consent. The sooner people realize the absence of American agency here, the more they'll see what a stupid bluff this all is.



Michael Weiss
@michaeldweiss

It also helps to realize that what many see as a well-laid and carefully orchestrated conspiracy is more like a Leroy Jenkins-style end-run by a gaggle of idiots in way over their heads, who think dealing with elected officials, militaries and bureaucracies on the continent is the same as taking bribes from emirs in the Gulf.

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It is not a peace deal. Botany Nov 2025 #1
Agree. plus i feel Zelenskyy will be bluestarone Nov 2025 #2
I agree. The other two should be found dead. OLDMDDEM Nov 2025 #7
I agree. Rewarding the aggressor and threatening the dignity and sovereignty of Ukraine is no peace deal Deuxcents Nov 2025 #4
Exactly! yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #23
Trump is forcing Ukraine to live under Putin or die. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #3
What a choice. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #24
No choice really is it. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #27
Live Free or Die - The motto for the State of NH. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #28
Yes it has new meaning today. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #29
Exactly. And people are dying. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #30
Unfortunately, Europe needs to remilitarize ASAP NickB79 Nov 2025 #5
What is the point of NATO then? BeyondGeography Nov 2025 #6
NATO needs to tell Trump to fuck off VMA131Marine Nov 2025 #8
The US is out of NATO, for all practical purposes... William Seger Nov 2025 #14
Or, to be precise: Putin, through Trump administration proxies, tells NATO... Mister Ed Nov 2025 #9
Any American who supports this spits in the face of every veteran who served in Korea, Vietnam, West Berlin, etc ChicagoTeamster Nov 2025 #10
They only have to stay strong for three years. And Europe will be behind them. Baitball Blogger Nov 2025 #11
Slava Ukraini Marthe48 Nov 2025 #12
Nice country you got there Marthe48 Nov 2025 #13
The beatings will continue until morale improves IbogaProject Nov 2025 #15
Not much could be worse than the deal Trump wants to shove down Ukraine's throat. Martin68 Nov 2025 #16
Peace deal? No. Shakedown. Beartracks Nov 2025 #17
Driscoll, as is glaringly obvious, has no diplomatic experience whatsoever. Emrys Nov 2025 #18
These people suck! yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #25
Got to survive lame duck donald the Russian dotard. bronxiteforever Nov 2025 #19
Sam Kiley of the Independent has an interesting perspective on the "peace" plan Momma Nov 2025 #20
Insert raspy voice: Xolodno Nov 2025 #21
And when the US military industrial complex see how much MONEY they are gonna loose, they will pay off mitch96 Nov 2025 #22
This is a pure Russian/putin wishlist LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2025 #26
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