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cab67

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57. I believe Dershowitz is, first and foremost, a contrarian, but....
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 04:01 PM
Dec 2025

One sees contrarians across Academia. These are people who really like the attention they get by adopting a point of view that's at odds with the consensus.

Contrarians are different from crackpots and denialists. Crackpots and denialists actually believe what they say. Contrarians often don't. Or they don't care, at any rate. It's about the attention. If the consensus moves in another direction, they'll switch and adopt the position the consensus just abandoned.

Obviously, contrarians can sometimes make money by writing books or going on the lecture circuit. They might also show up as cable news talking heads. These presumably help cement a contrarian's standpoint, but it's the attention that matters. "Look at me! I'm controversial!"

That said - this stuff about a third term is plainly contrary not only to the consensus among Constitutional law scholars, but to the Constitution itself. There's no gray area. Anyone with the basic ability to read and write can see this.

I'm beginning to wonder if there's more than just contrarianism going on with him. Is it money? A desire to be close to power? Something organic? Has he switched columns from "contrarian" to "quack?" I don't know.

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In my own field, there was a small community of academics in the 1980's through early oughts we sometimes called the "Flat Earth Society." These were people who could not accept that birds are living theropod dinosaurs. They called themselves the BAND (Birds Are Not Dinosaurs).

The evidence that birds are dinosaurs is as conclusive as that showing human beings are mammals, and it hasn't been treated as controversial since around 1990, but these few dug in their heels. New evidence would be dismissed or explained away with increasingly convoluted and decreasingly parsimonious arguments, some of which crumbled when more evidence came up. When the first non-bird dinosaur with evidence for feathers was found in the mid 1990's, they argued that the feathers (which were short fibers resembling fur or down) were actually internal collagenous fibers that were exposed as the animal decayed. But then they found a non-bird theropod with actual vaned feathers - not short fuzz, but actual feathers with a rachis and barbs. The explanation? A bird had died, and then a dead dinosaur had fallen on top of it. That lasted until they found several more of the feathered non-birds. Eventually, they began to claim that these animals - animals they'd sworn up and down couldn't be related to birds - were, in fact, birds that had evolved to look just like non-bird dinosaurs.

Most BAND members were crackpots. They were true believers. But there was one whose opinions were so bizarre that we wondered if his motivations were different. He would make claims that anyone with a single class in comparative anatomy could see were silly. I once moderated a session at a professional meeting, and he was the last speaker. His words were being contradicted by his own slides. The other moderator and I sometimes glanced at each other with a look of dismay; I mean, was this dude really saying what we thought he'd said? Why didn't he just turn around and look at the bloody pictures behind him? The ones he'd set up for his talk? Did his students consider an intervention? It was madness.

Some of us suggested that people studying bird origins should spend a few months claiming that they were wrong all the time, and that birds are related to extinct crocodile relatives or some other extinct reptile, but not dinosaurs. Most of the BANDers would throw a massive "I Told You So!" party, but that one outlier would probably start insisting that birds must be dinosaurs.

This type of contrarianism, at least, was harmless. What Dershowitz sometimes does is not.

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"He found it interesting as an intellectual issue," Lochloosa Dec 2025 #1
How did Dershowitz ever pass law school, or the bar maxrandb Dec 2025 #65
Rule of law and US constitution are just quaint relics of a bygone era. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #2
Partners in crime................ Lovie777 Dec 2025 #3
Trump's health is so bad, he will not complete this term. A third term would be his rotting corpse. QueerDuck Dec 2025 #4
And 1/3 of the country would vote for it. The Madcap Dec 2025 #15
Many of his supporters are rotting corpses durablend Dec 2025 #25
...or will be soon due to his policies mpcamb Dec 2025 #66
I guess we need another amendment that specifically says, no Donald you can't Walleye Dec 2025 #5
The 22nd Amendment, in its entirety... jmowreader Dec 2025 #6
Seems clear to me. No ambiguities. QueerDuck Dec 2025 #19
It's certainly clear, cloudbase Dec 2025 #22
That stood out to me, too... slightlv Dec 2025 #68
It says what the Gang of Six on the Supreme Court say it says. LudwigPastorius Dec 19 #72
No ambiguities with regard to election Shrek Dec 2025 #23
This is basically how Putin overcame the clear Russian Fed term limits Prairie Gates Dec 2025 #34
The constitutional requirements for VP are the same as for President Polybius Dec 2025 #69
Possible wiggle room SomedayKindaLove Dec 2025 #39
Ha, ha, I like 2) PatSeg Dec 2025 #45
I'm not seeing the "this amendment does not apply to anyone named Donald Trump" part. Ray Bruns Dec 2025 #24
The 22nd Amendment clearly explains why LBJ could have run for a third term in 1968 FakeNoose Dec 2025 #27
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice" Wiz Imp Dec 2025 #55
That final sentence... GiqueCee Dec 2025 #61
What's so "unclear"? no_hypocrisy Dec 20 #78
You mean the Dershowitz who was raping girls with Epstein? UpInArms Dec 2025 #7
he's an evil co-conspirator and needs to be in jail. He makes me want to puke LymphocyteLover Dec 2025 #17
Hey now PatSeg Dec 2025 #46
+ struggle4progress Dec 2025 #67
Dershowitz--enough said hlthe2b Dec 2025 #8
The Constitution is only unclear because you want a NAZI regime without a Constitution. Bengus81 Dec 2025 #9
"Lawyer" should be disbarred. live love laugh Dec 2025 #10
Rare would be the day a president is elected three times bucolic_frolic Dec 2025 #11
This is where Alan Dershowitz works BootinUp Dec 2025 #12
IN A RELATED STORY: Chasstev365 Dec 2025 #13
Donny has Dersh. Dersh did dirty deeds in his tighty whiteys. johnnyfins Dec 2025 #14
I will help... Escape Dec 2025 #16
If tsf does try it BlueKota Dec 2025 #20
what a disgusting thing to focus your energy on and it's not "unclear" at all LymphocyteLover Dec 2025 #18
Martha's Vineyard pierogi vendor cites Dershowitz's Epstein ties for refusal of service turbinetree Dec 2025 #21
No, I don't think he will run for a third term." So why are you talking him into it? JohnnyRingo Dec 2025 #26
The Pukes created the 22nd Amendment in response to FDR getting elected 4 times. Eat Shit, Pukes! NBachers Dec 2025 #28
Demented child rapist tells demented child rapist dalton99a Dec 2025 #29
Dershowitz is Epstein's BFF Kid Berwyn Dec 2025 #30
Trump is going to read a book?? rurallib Dec 2025 #31
OBAMA 2028!!! Oliver Bolliver Butt Dec 2025 #32
GREAT answer. Can you imagine THOSE debates? Callie1979 Dec 2025 #33
22nd Amendment is pretty clear. Historic NY Dec 2025 #35
No, I don't think he will run for a third term. ... aggiesal Dec 2025 #36
A Lawyer?????? LPBBEAR Dec 2025 #37
It's interesting that a cluster of Epstein child rapists mzmolly Dec 2025 #38
It's only unclear dweller Dec 2025 #40
Dershowitz is a total fraud and creepy as hell. Fuck him. Borogove Dec 2025 #41
I agree Skittles Dec 2025 #71
Just so we're all clear, there is indeed a loophole and they absolutely would use it. unblock Dec 2025 #42
The ways around the 22nd Amendment are not practical in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2025 #43
Given his rapidly putrefying state, Hassler Dec 2025 #44
JD (Jock itch Divan diver) Vance could be a puppet President with Trump as the Veep. GreenWave Dec 2025 #47
The last guy I would be taking legal moniss Dec 2025 #48
If he doesn't leave tonekat Dec 2025 #49
He can do as Napoleon did, and have himself declared Emperor. No election necessary. eppur_se_muova Dec 2025 #50
I think the plan would be to run for vide-president and then have the president resign in favor of Trump Xipe Totec Dec 2025 #56
Get a copy of the US Constitution, Alan, and READ IT! ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2025 #51
Lost me at JBTaurus83 Dec 2025 #52
Oh yeah? OMGWTF Dec 2025 #53
Imagine having an intelligent, compassionate Ilsa Dec 2025 #54
I believe Dershowitz is, first and foremost, a contrarian, but.... cab67 Dec 2025 #57
I don't think so SamuelTheThird Dec 2025 #60
His contrarianism long predates any revelations about Epstein. cab67 Dec 2025 #63
I'm really surprised he's lived this long. lpbk2713 Dec 2025 #58
Dershowitz... GiqueCee Dec 2025 #59
"Lawyer" MorbidButterflyTat Dec 2025 #62
If Trump runs for a third term, we nominate Obama to run against him.. mjvpi Dec 2025 #64
I'd been advocating for the repeal of the 22nd since I was 19 in the 90's Polybius Dec 2025 #70
But arguably it probably prevented a 3rd Reagan term Shrek Dec 19 #73
I'm ok with that, since a Republican was elected anyway Polybius Dec 19 #75
Even if that holds up, you'd still have to be alive to run for office Iris Dec 19 #74
Alan Underwearshitz dweller Dec 19 #76
Cool.....let's run Obama again! OAITW r.2.0 Dec 19 #77
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