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NNadir

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49. "Organic" farming played a huge role in causing the US Civil War.
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:14 PM
Mar 10

The abandonment of "organic farming" allowed the First World War to go on as long as it did.

In the first case, cotton is a crop that rapidly depletes soil of fixed nitrogen. In 1860 Lincoln was decidedly not an abolitionist. He merely claimed the right to limit slavery to where it existed. Chemical understanding was nearly nonexistent in the 19th century, and while people understood the value of things like manure, they certainly did not understand why manure worked nor did they have enough to around. Therefore, the survival of the cotton industry needed to expand to new lands to survive, and with it, human slavery.

As chemical understanding came to be developed by the early 20th century and people understood that fixed nitrogen, salt peter, was in fact fixed nitrogen, mines provided the initial means of preventing soil depletion, most in modern day Chile.

Salt peter, potassium nitrate, is also a component of gunpowder. One couldn't have a long war without it. This is why a British blockade of Germany was a serious threat to the German war industry.

In the early 20th century, the German chemist Fritz Haber (who was Jewish), working with the chemical engineer, Karl Bosch, developed the first industrial scalable process for nitrogen fixation, the Haber Bosch process, which allowed Germany to make both fertilizer and gunpowder. The Haber Bosch process which relies for now on dangerous fossil fuels, originally and still in some places, coal, to make hydrogen, is behind the ability to feed seven or eight billion people on this planet. Without the process more than half the world's population would be consigned to starvation.

This is a fact.

A more serious issue is connected with phosphorus which is still obtained by mining. It is an sword of Damocles hanging over the future of humanity, seldom discussed but very real.

The Haber Bosch process played a huge role in the US raprochment between "red" China and the United States. The Chinese communist government hated the US as much as we hated them. However, the Chinese knew that they would have great difficulty avoiding more famine without American Haber Bosch technology and so they agreed to meet with Nixon. This is a subtext that is not widely known.

This issue, the importance of nitrogen fixation and its roles in world history is covered in Vaclav Smil's book Enriching the Earth which is now more than two decades old is still very much worth a read.

One of the first catalysts that Haber found to be workable, was interestingly, uranium, but he didn't pursue it because he thought it too rare. (We now understand it is common.) Modern Haber Bosch catalysts are either based on iron or molybdenum. The latter metal is utilized in natural biological nitrogen fixation as a metalloprotein, which, while it works, works too slowly to support the world food supply via crop rotation.

I hope this answers your question.

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Trump doesn't understand farming, he doesn't care about it Walleye Mar 10 #1
He only cares about his bank account and power. Irish_Dem Mar 10 #26
He knows all he needs to know: AleksS Mar 10 #55
This is what you voted for MAGA farmer! Enjoy the inflation. Multichromatic Mar 10 #2
Just like clockwork, murielm99 Mar 10 #9
He said MAGA farmers. travelingthrulife Mar 10 #19
Where are liberal farmers located in the US? Irish_Dem Mar 10 #27
Most farmers and ranchers in Texas do not like environmental regulations and walkingman Mar 10 #53
so, they are big giant fucking hypocrites Skittles Mar 10 #58
There are five of Democrats right on my road. murielm99 Mar 11 #59
I have been campaigning for Dems for 60 years. Irish_Dem Mar 11 #61
Then why did you bother to answer me? murielm99 Mar 11 #62
Problem is Big Ag. multigraincracker Mar 10 #30
The problem is... littlemissmartypants Mar 10 #39
My dad was professor of Animal Science. multigraincracker Mar 10 #42
It was used by farmers milking about multigraincracker Mar 10 #43
So ... 95% are family farms. What percentage of PRODUCTION is due to family farms ? What percentage of $$$$ ? eppur_se_muova Mar 10 #50
I come from rural Kansas and grew up on a farm. Orange Buffoon Mar 10 #38
Be a uniter, not a divider. littlemissmartypants Mar 10 #40
Then work at making some changes. murielm99 Mar 11 #60
murielm99 - Like the other post said... Multichromatic Mar 11 #63
exactly what I was going to say!!!!! gopiscrap Mar 10 #46
Somehow, i can't garner any sympathy for someone who most likely voted for t. mwmisses4289 Mar 10 #3
We will ALL reap the consequences radical noodle Mar 10 #14
There's a bumper sticker I see around here: No farmers, no food. NNadir Mar 10 #18
I am a PC in my rural area. murielm99 Mar 10 #22
As a fat bald old white man, I am pleased to agree that demographic bias can be highly... NNadir Mar 10 #25
It is why I specified someone who most likely voted for t. mwmisses4289 Mar 10 #44
I spoke with a friend UpInArms Mar 10 #4
It is such a pity in so many cases that breathing is an autonomic functiion. niyad Mar 10 #7
The farmer's and rancher's popsdenver Mar 10 #36
Pfffftt...they know Trump will send them that much more CASH than he did in 2017 Bengus81 Mar 10 #5
I gotta tell you popsdenver Mar 10 #37
Another case of Icanthinkformyself Mar 10 #6
They are NOT voting against their own interests Random Boomer Mar 10 #32
Farmers should've voted EVEN HARDER for him durablend Mar 10 #8
Perfect Old Crank Mar 10 #10
Why don't they just take a dump in the fields durablend Mar 10 #11
Assuming we have free elections in 2026 and 2028 and afterwards Vogon_Glory Mar 10 #12
Urea? Dang :( mwooldri Mar 10 #13
I didn't know that. Thanks. underpants Mar 10 #29
I have around 150 NJCher Mar 10 #15
Keep voting republican, idiots! Mysterian Mar 10 #16
Yeah. All those guns they are using to protect us from tyranny. travelingthrulife Mar 10 #21
Well, this sure is an overly negative take on the situation. markodochartaigh Mar 10 #17
What an incredibly interconnected world we live in paleotn Mar 10 #20
It's now a house of cards. multigraincracker Mar 10 #31
Maybe we should give the medal of honor to Democratic farmers that live in red areas Playingmantis Mar 10 #23
I'm still dumbfounded at how many farmers, particularily soybean farmers who voted for Trump AGAIN in '24. This after Fil1957 Mar 10 #24
There's enough bullshit floating around, thanks to Traitor and MAGA, Wicked Blue Mar 10 #28
So very true. niyad Mar 10 #33
Regenerative, organic farming, anyone? Do you think it will occur to ANY niyad Mar 10 #34
"Organic" farming played a huge role in causing the US Civil War. NNadir Mar 10 #49
Where I grew up they would say "don't bet the farm on it". Had they never heard that? twodogsbarking Mar 10 #35
But the price of eggs!! flashman13 Mar 10 #41
Wonder how long it will take before we don't have any produce, milk or meat available? mdbl Mar 10 #45
I'll just have to see if my usual grocery chain will deliver apple juice next time nitpicked Mar 10 #54
I'll bet THAT wasn't on their bingo cards. QueerDuck Mar 10 #47
Leopards are stuffed at this point. n/t Justice matters. Mar 10 #48
Oh, man, if only there had been some evidence and examples of this sort of bad stuff RockRaven Mar 10 #51
And trump and his trolls will blame everything and everyone Torchlight Mar 10 #52
No cash, no fertilizer, no soybean markets Hassler Mar 10 #56
There's an endless supply of free fertilizer..... SergeStorms Mar 10 #57
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