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pat_k

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74. Conclusion premature. Up until this latest accusation, I would agree that...
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:58 PM
18 hrs ago

... what we were seeing has all the hallmarks of an orchestrated smear. (Not necessarily that it was an orchestrated smear, but the signs were all there.)

This latest accusation has brought things to another level. I suspect it will ultimately prove to be true. However, believing any accusation without scrutiny rubs me the wrong way. Always has.

I know I could be wrong, perhaps the incident didn't happen, but his admitted alcohol abuse raises questions. Drunk people are capable of things they would NEVER do if they weren't so drunk. This is not to excuse the behavior, only to point out that anyone with a history of alcohol abuse may have done awful things while in a drunken blackout. And not to "victim shame," but generally a person who abuses alcohol dates people who also abuse alcohol.

I'll leave it at that. The thing is, whether the accusation is ultimately proven true or false may be irrelevant at this point. The mob-mentality is in full swing. There is no stopping it now.

FWIW, I posted the following summarizing the hallmarks of an orchestrated smear back on June 5 when the NYTimes article came out.

Perhaps someday Jane Mayer will weigh in on Platner's case and we'll have much greater insight.
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Hallmarks of an Orchestrated Smear

I just re-read Jane Mayer's The Case of Al Franken.

Start with a drip drip, then pile on everything you can possibly dig up without looking past the surface. Release in rapid succession so there's no time for individual reports to be scrutinized. Cue outrage at "nothing terrible in isolation, but look at the number of them!"

The goal is to incite a mob mentality. Cue the pitchforks and torches.

It sure looks like some entity is orchestrating the smear of Platner following the same playbook.

Perhaps Jane will do an investigation of "The Case of Graham Platner." I'd sure like to hear more background on each and every report. I suspect it comes down to the same thing. A whole lot of smoke with no actual fire.

New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
Jane Mayer
July 22, 2019

https://web.archive.org/web/20190829044419/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken


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Guess we'll be seeing a lot more of Susan Collins... Marie Marie 23 hrs ago #1
What's Janet Mills doing these days? Vinca 23 hrs ago #2
She said to write her in after the last set of obamanut2012 23 hrs ago #3
David Costello would be a better pick. pat_k 23 hrs ago #9
2024 and Kamala all over again. It's a bit too late for that now. paleotn 20 hrs ago #35
Hope your wrong. I think there's time. pat_k 20 hrs ago #58
--- especially since a whole lot of Maine voters are anxious to vote Democratic Jack Valentino 16 hrs ago #91
He seems very appealling and progressive enough MadameButterfly 7 hrs ago #125
Being unelectable. Mainers aren't happy with her. paleotn 20 hrs ago #34
Way to go Maine! awesomerwb1 23 hrs ago #4
Excuse me... 2naSalit 23 hrs ago #10
My thought exactly. drray23 23 hrs ago #11
I grew up... 2naSalit 22 hrs ago #13
Hard same. I had a post removed for suggesting exactly this would happen. nt Blasphemer 22 hrs ago #14
This message was self-deleted by its author 2naSalit 22 hrs ago #17
Damn, 2na... COL Mustard 18 hrs ago #70
Just because people suggested this would happen doesn't make it true. nt CozyMystery 11 hrs ago #116
Wonder if this latest one got a big check. paleotn 20 hrs ago #36
Seriously? niyad 20 hrs ago #57
I don't know for sure and neither do you. paleotn 20 hrs ago #59
If Republicans were behind this radical noodle 6 hrs ago #129
I appreciate your posts and figure you're due some insight into my meaning. paleotn 18 hrs ago #67
I understand what you are saying. But, as a number of posts and OP's, niyad 18 hrs ago #71
I get it, but Republicans are extremely good at this... paleotn 18 hrs ago #73
Stories have come out that Gary Hart was framed MadameButterfly 3 hrs ago #136
Those were all my thoughts, too, paleotn. BComplex 16 hrs ago #92
The timing is certainly political. hadEnuf 17 hrs ago #85
Hang in there 2naSalit! Cha 19 hrs ago #63
Thank you! 2naSalit 17 hrs ago #78
It is starting to feel like Edwards vs. Duke 1991 LA governor's race. The Grand Illuminist 7 hrs ago #126
Nobody is blaming you personally, and no one should be blaming Mainers in general MadameButterfly 7 hrs ago #127
He should have been vetted... 2naSalit 6 hrs ago #128
Not a shiny new object. A person who expressed ideas that spoke to many people MadameButterfly 3 hrs ago #137
I believe her; I just wish she had come forth BEFORE the Maine Primary Chasstev365 23 hrs ago #5
My guess is that she was hoping she wouldn't have to... Blasphemer 22 hrs ago #15
There was not question what the outcome of the primary would be MadameButterfly 3 hrs ago #138
She did. Just not with the rape allegation. Bok_Tukalo 21 hrs ago #26
Or she was holding out for more cash. paleotn 20 hrs ago #38
All the reason not to believe her. paleotn 20 hrs ago #37
Been around long enough to see both Karl Rove and Roger Stone in action Bengus81 7 hrs ago #122
She spoke to NYT for the story that broke before the primary mcar 19 hrs ago #62
Where's the proof? Why believe someone you don't know about something you don't have evidence for? nt CozyMystery 11 hrs ago #117
i believe the records of her telling other people at the time MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #140
So much for Maine. He's toast. CousinIT 23 hrs ago #6
You are wrong MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #141
I mean given his checkered past and the previous incidents drray23 23 hrs ago #7
So how did it work out with Eric Swalwell? MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #142
I hope she has overcome her concern of being known as a rape vicitm Raven123 23 hrs ago #8
I'm not sure it was the media... AloeVera 21 hrs ago #27
Somebody was going to talk her into this MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #143
More exagerated bullshit, ie. Al Franken LiberalLovinLug 23 hrs ago #12
So Believe Women is over sarisataka 22 hrs ago #16
Sound like... 2naSalit 22 hrs ago #18
Conditional on the truth. LiberalLovinLug 22 hrs ago #19
Has truth been determined? sarisataka 22 hrs ago #20
No it hasn't. LiberalLovinLug 22 hrs ago #22
Do you vote in Maine? yardwork 22 hrs ago #23
Do you? paleotn 20 hrs ago #44
Nope. Thats why I'm not telling them what to do. yardwork 18 hrs ago #76
Nor am I. paleotn 17 hrs ago #83
I don't live in Maine MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #145
No argument from me. yardwork 1 hr ago #151
You seem to think it has. From where does that info come from? paleotn 20 hrs ago #43
My quote is from the poster I replied to sarisataka 20 hrs ago #46
Glad to hear it. So am I. paleotn 20 hrs ago #51
I try not to jump on bandwagons sarisataka 20 hrs ago #54
That's a good way to put it. paleotn 20 hrs ago #55
He's lost the support of even Progressives MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #146
Apparently. sheshe2 22 hrs ago #21
I believe evidence. Got any? paleotn 20 hrs ago #41
Women lie? sarisataka 20 hrs ago #45
People lie. Await the evidence to pass judgement. paleotn 20 hrs ago #47
Sorry no stock picks sarisataka 20 hrs ago #49
I don't always believe anyone. BComplex 15 hrs ago #94
I hope your last line is sincere sarisataka 15 hrs ago #96
What kind of question is that? BComplex 15 hrs ago #99
Do you think she is lying? sarisataka 15 hrs ago #100
It's too late for another candidate to garner the support enough to win. BComplex 15 hrs ago #102
So it doesn't matter what he has done sarisataka 15 hrs ago #104
Um... BComplex 14 hrs ago #106
No I don't know her sarisataka 14 hrs ago #107
I get what you're saying. BComplex 14 hrs ago #109
I have not seen anything on TV sarisataka 14 hrs ago #110
Here is a part of the NYT article from back during the first republican round BComplex 4 hrs ago #134
From what I have read sarisataka 2 hrs ago #147
What do you want manicdem 21 hrs ago #32
According to the Poster in #65 it is. MichMan 9 hrs ago #118
Conclusion premature. Up until this latest accusation, I would agree that... pat_k 18 hrs ago #74
The accusations against Platner are much different from those against Franken. yardwork 18 hrs ago #77
I agree with both of your points. spooky3 16 hrs ago #89
The main difference is that Franken was already elected. yardwork 8 hrs ago #121
Yes, Al should not have resigned. MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #144
No...he should have because a group of Dems threw him under the bus Bengus81 1 hr ago #152
The Democratic Party doesn't allow this kind of behavior,, Escape 22 hrs ago #24
He was gonna anyway if he won the election n/t Polybius 19 hrs ago #61
You have that on good authority no doubt. AloeVera 18 hrs ago #66
I never suggested he is a Republican plant Polybius 6 hrs ago #130
I have had qualms (expressed here) from the first, but honestly, if I had been sitting by Molly Jong Fast hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #25
I actually see the timing as a positive and it gives her more credibility... Blasphemer 21 hrs ago #28
No. It's too late for a second candidate to galvanize the support that Platner BComplex 15 hrs ago #101
I would be curious to see what the NYT reporters say. Did she elaborate or not? Hassin Bin Sober 19 hrs ago #60
See? Nobody has considered her previous story, but they're BComplex 14 hrs ago #108
She didn't say there that he broke in? Seems like that would have been damn Bengus81 8 hrs ago #119
Those were my feelings about Molly... BComplex 15 hrs ago #98
As an aside, I'm kind of over panels period. Alice B. 59 min ago #155
Platner needs to drop out this afternoon WSHazel 21 hrs ago #29
If I was Platner, I would be so tired of the BS that I'd be seriously wanting to drop out BComplex 15 hrs ago #105
He raped a woman WSHazel 14 hrs ago #112
And you have proof of that without any doubt?d BComplex 4 hrs ago #135
"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard for getting convicted of a crime WSHazel 2 hrs ago #150
The ruling class knives have been out for him from the door. BlueTsunami2018 21 hrs ago #30
David Costello pat_k 21 hrs ago #31
David Costello or Troy Jackson MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #148
Interesting timing. mzmolly 21 hrs ago #33
The Maine Democratic Party calls on Graham Planter to drop out of the Senate race. LetMyPeopleVote 20 hrs ago #39
Who would replace him? iemanja 20 hrs ago #48
Not Mills. Shenna Bellows, Troy Jackson, Nirav Shah, Jordan Wood are mentioned by NYT pat_k 17 hrs ago #79
I hope they do find someone iemanja 13 hrs ago #114
Mission Accomplished...High fiving over at the WH,and laughing how easy it is Bengus81 7 hrs ago #124
I want to see other information. NewEnglandAutumn 20 hrs ago #40
I am with you. But I fear a specific accusation of drunken sexual assault goes way beyond the bullshit that brought down pat_k 20 hrs ago #50
What a distaster iemanja 20 hrs ago #42
Dozens of posts to this thread could be alerted on al bupp 20 hrs ago #52
You mean like how people can say almost anything about Fetterman? MichMan 17 hrs ago #81
You think Fetterman is a Democrat? When they go the DINO route we have the Bengus81 5 hrs ago #132
Yes I do MichMan 19 min ago #156
*sigh* Blue Owl 20 hrs ago #53
They have options pat_k 20 hrs ago #56
Amazing all of this comes out when Platner runs and he is leading in the polls. Timing means nothing. AZLD4Candidate 19 hrs ago #64
Dems always seem to just give up when something like this happens Dangling0826 18 hrs ago #65
So, you will only believe it if there is a video of him actually raping her? MichMan 17 hrs ago #84
pretty much!! Dangling0826 17 hrs ago #86
I'm getting these Al Franken fake vibes about this story kimbutgar 18 hrs ago #68
I am with you. But a specific accusation of drunken sexual assault goes beyond the bullshit that brought down Franken. pat_k 18 hrs ago #72
If he was behind Collins by five points there would be crickets........... Bengus81 8 hrs ago #120
Platner bromeando 18 hrs ago #69
Allegations against Democrats are fatal to Candidates pwb 18 hrs ago #75
Rapists have no place in leadership roles Quanta 17 hrs ago #80
Every Trumpublican condemning Platner must be confronted on ignoring more, and more egregious, accusations against Trump pat_k 17 hrs ago #82
THIS Bengus81 7 hrs ago #123
We are not going to get to the bottom of anything hadEnuf 17 hrs ago #87
Planter is the only person who can beat Collins duckworth969 17 hrs ago #88
I disagree that he is the only one who can beat Collins. pat_k 14 hrs ago #111
Appreciate your post duckworth969 1 hr ago #153
Spot on, IMHO peggysue2 2 hrs ago #139
If this were a GOP candidate, they'd say tonekat 16 hrs ago #90
Going with Rachel and Chris Hayes' this time kiranon 15 hrs ago #93
Vote D flamingdem 15 hrs ago #95
Can We Use This As A Moment to Reopen the Kavanaugh Investigation? DrFunkenstein 15 hrs ago #97
A Joan Barron? usonian 15 hrs ago #103
I'm just glad this waited until AFTER Taylor Swift's Wedding. flvegan 14 hrs ago #113
What? What does't her wedding have to do with any of this? LeftInTX 13 hrs ago #115
The amount of DUers still supporting this dude is appalling obamanut2012 4 hrs ago #133
Absolutely. The right move is to use this to come out ALL.GUNS BLAZING against GOP assaulters DrFunkenstein 2 hrs ago #149
Vote D no matter who? WinningAgain 5 hrs ago #131
So, here's the ethical quandry tonekat 1 hr ago #154
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