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20. Well, after seeing

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:30 PM

Jul 2013

that photograph and the lighting in the area, I definately can see the opposite, Zimmering sneaking up on Trayvon and Trayvon probably fighting Zimmerman off. The guy was very slim. Zimmerman could have held Trayvon while he shot him, while Trayvon probably was fighting for his life to get away. Zimmerman's injuries doesn't mean anything if they occurred with Martin fighting him off. It could have angered Zimmerman and he just shot him, which would have ended the whole struggle.

I've seen enactments, where the victim did everything to fight off the killer, especially if the killer had a gun, Zimmerman was the one so obsessive about someone getting away. He could have just shot Trayvon out of frustration at him screaming and fighting to get away. Zimmerman could have just been holding trayvon there so the cops could arrive, which he knew was on the way.

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Breaking: Jurors Start Deliberations in George Zimmerman Case [View all] Hissyspit Jul 2013 OP

May the force, and words of Prosecutor John Guy, be with them...... nt Ninga Jul 2013 #1

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ hlthe2b Jul 2013 #2

Justice for Trayvon and his family warrior1 Jul 2013 #3

the deliberations could take an hour or days. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #4

Hey George sorefeet Jul 2013 #5

not holding my breath .... even though the whole thing stinks srican69 Jul 2013 #6

One word, six letters. Guilty. Guilty of gun extremism, overt racism, and murder. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #7

I never try Berlin Expat Jul 2013 #8

"....guilty of gun extremism....." What is the punishment for that? Duckwraps Jul 2013 #21

I dunno but presumably "firing squad" is off the list. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #26

LOL!!!!!!! Duckwraps Jul 2013 #27

Jury has to believe that GZ was able to get at his gun chelsea0011 Jul 2013 #9

And being choked. Hayabusa Jul 2013 #13

Don't forget that TM was able to do all of this damage while holding a bag of Skittles, displacedtexan Jul 2013 #28

Actually, the police report states that the skittles were found in Trayvon's pocket onenote Jul 2013 #29

Can't see 2nd Degree ... Lenomsky Jul 2013 #10

He began it because there were no witnesses and he thought he could get away with shoooting him. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #14

He did mean to kill Trayvon! tblue Jul 2013 #30

You Defined Premeditation (Meant To Kill) DallasNE Jul 2013 #37

second degree because he had ill will Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #40

There was only 4" differences in their heights, but cardboard cutouts were about 1 foot difference. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #11

"for being black" tblue Jul 2013 #31

every dangerous person I've had to deal with, or protect myself from, has been white. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #41

Me, too. korak Jul 2013 #43

not sure of the source of this... neohippie Jul 2013 #12

Keep In Mind DallasNE Jul 2013 #38

I just John2 Jul 2013 #15

I really hope the riots aren't too bad here in Florida geomon666 Jul 2013 #16

Maybe I've watched too much Law and Order, but..... chuckstevens Jul 2013 #17

Playing the race card, Duckwraps Jul 2013 #19

You're Right, but chuckstevens Jul 2013 #25

I think what Mr. Guy did regarding race was brilliant. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #42

The Case Ended As It Started DallasNE Jul 2013 #18

Well, after seeing John2 Jul 2013 #20

Good Point DallasNE Jul 2013 #24

"Could have." Igel Jul 2013 #35

That Wasn't My Point DallasNE Jul 2013 #39

Zimmerman's " punks always get away" attitude is stuck in my mind. So Zimmerman was lumpy Jul 2013 #32

If the cop who "accidentally" killed Oscar Grant could serve time for manslaughter, alp227 Jul 2013 #22

I can't wait to see it. tblue Jul 2013 #33

@AP: BREAKING: Jury in Zimmerman murder trial has a question for judge; they want an index of all ev Hissyspit Jul 2013 #23

That's good. Igel Jul 2013 #36

In recess = no verdict hexola Jul 2013 #34

buba is a waiting... QUALITYCONTRoll Jul 2013 #44