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160. The propaganda that's been served up by the US government and it's lackeys around the world

Thu Aug 28, 2014, 11:05 PM

Aug 2014

regarding the events in Ukraine has no relation to what's really going on there.

I believe you understand what happened, as do I, because I've been following it since the beginning, this past spring.

Your statement sums it up pretty well: "Russia is no ideal country, but this is all of our own making. We have embraced a foreign and economic policy of "end justifies the means" and have crossed many bounderies, created wars on lies, allied with really bad guys, taken down even democratic governments at a whim of our interest".

"...allied with really bad guys" - Would that be the neo-Nazi junta in Kiev whose hero was a Nazi collaborator during WWII? The US is even willing to support a bunch of Nazis if serves the "National interest". how pathetic.

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Russian and Ukraine troops battle in south, prompting fears that invasion has begun [View all] LloydS of New London Aug 2014 OP

Funny thing is, Russia was pissed that NATO's influence got closer and closer to Russia's border. DetlefK Aug 2014 #1

Ironically, Russia is single-handedly strengthening NATO. joshcryer Aug 2014 #2

And visa versa. newthinking Aug 2014 #5

NATO is no military threat to Russa and Russia knows that. DetlefK Aug 2014 #14

Estonia and Latvia are NATO countries. amandabeech Aug 2014 #97

Norway is NATO, though. Can't trust those bloodthirsty Vikings, you know. :) freshwest Aug 2014 #244

I'm part Viking myself, but from Southwestern Sweden. amandabeech Aug 2014 #248

Social freedoms? Man from Pickens Aug 2014 #102

Just a few years ago there was talk of disbanding. joshcryer Aug 2014 #23

"So you actually admit that NATO has essentially surrounded Russia" Not... EX500rider Aug 2014 #100

You forgot Sarah watching Putin from her porch. And likes what she sees! freshwest Sep 2014 #249

I forgot NOTHING! lol EX500rider Sep 2014 #250

BWAHAHA! Thanks, that's a keeper! freshwest Sep 2014 #253

Who considers NATO obsolete? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #140

The 2012 Chicago summit left questions for NATO's role. joshcryer Aug 2014 #171

TIME mag coverage as evidence! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #178

Uh, you said "exactly no one." TIME magazine isn't "no one." joshcryer Aug 2014 #187

Uh, you're not reading, you are misquoting. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #188

Yeah, TIME, "not credible." joshcryer Aug 2014 #192

Your "abusive and dismissive attitude" to truth is the real problem. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #206

Pointless drivel. joshcryer Aug 2014 #238

How obsessively you latch on... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #239

Minor quibble? joshcryer Aug 2014 #240

Oh my god, I am so evil! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #241

Looks like NATO's expansion was justified. joshcryer Aug 2014 #243

The hilarity of the self-fulfilling prophecy. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #246

Wow - what a fantasy you reel there... mazzarro Sep 2014 #251

Ok which is it? Ukraine is *now* afraid that Russia has entered in? So they were lying before? newthinking Aug 2014 #3

Russian troops have been there all along. The question is whether Russia will abandon pretense.... Adrahil Aug 2014 #37

Russia is always invading Ukraine. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #242

Did the Russians get lost again? I know this isn't funny.. war never is. Cha Aug 2014 #4

We may have actually *really* left the "proxy" war stage and entered overt war newthinking Aug 2014 #6

Lost LloydS of New London Aug 2014 #7

That was a better television series than this, though... freshwest Aug 2014 #159

Reminds me of my idiot squad leader who lost us in the woods. jakeXT Aug 2014 #8

With a difference. Igel Aug 2014 #12

So it's incompetence sending Russians with Russian documentation and no plan ? /nt jakeXT Aug 2014 #16

This reply was for a different post happyslug Aug 2014 #35

The pro-Banderite faction simply makes it up as they go along. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #40

Where did you get your information of a 2-3 hour firefight??? happyslug Aug 2014 #42

Plans don't result in action. joshcryer Aug 2014 #189

My Comments were as to what the RUSSIAN Troops were capable of. happyslug Aug 2014 #247

Yes, years ago. Igel Aug 2014 #11

Yeah but it's not their fault. Hosnon Aug 2014 #46

Somebody made a map for them.. Cha Aug 2014 #147

As you say, war isn't funny, but you made me chuckle nonetheless. They "got lost again". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #132

Ukraine crisis: 'Thousands of Russians' fighting in east Bosonic Aug 2014 #9

This invasion from Russia has Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #10

Exactly, Duckhunter.. Cha Aug 2014 #15

We've known it since "rebel" bodies were being sent to Russia for burial. Or "home". 7962 Aug 2014 #26

Ack, you spoke to soon davidpdx Aug 2014 #30

"Occupied" Crimea. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #148

Yes you are right Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #150

How far back do you want to go? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #151

'Russian troops deployed' in Ukraine - Poroshenko Bosonic Aug 2014 #13

"The rebel successes constitute the opening of a new front in the conflict." Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #18

It's an invasion, for sure. Umm.....oops truth2power Aug 2014 #144

Semantic Subterfuge, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #146

Then that's what you should go with, magistrate. Absolutely. truth2power Aug 2014 #180

Always Nice To Start The Morning With A Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #193

Oh, no, Sir! You can't say 'imperialist.' Only the West is imperialist. Just a warning. freshwest Aug 2014 #245

Reuters seems to have a penchant for "translation mistakes" reorg Aug 2014 #166

I don't know what that has to do with anything - from back in July.. truth2power Aug 2014 #179

Yes, ancient history reorg Aug 2014 #182

On the chance anyone still wants to hear the other side of this story . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #17

I don't think that 6 otr 7 strident posters means that plenty of newthinking Aug 2014 #19

That is very good news . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #22

I'll be interested in seeing your response as Russia's intervention becomes more overt. Adrahil Aug 2014 #66

What was your response when the Kiev regime... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #138

I deplore it. I always deplore the uneccessary loss of life, especially civilians. Adrahil Aug 2014 #145

Certainly may happen. What does Russia have to loose since they are being tarred either way. newthinking Aug 2014 #154

The propaganda that's been served up by the US government and it's lackeys around the world truth2power Aug 2014 #160

Ok, thanks for you perspective. I very much disagree. Adrahil Aug 2014 #181

Daily Beast: "Russia Lies About Invading Ukraine as It Invades Ukraine" Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #149

Just like there are volunteer groups recruited and trained in Poland newthinking Aug 2014 #20

Russian 'volunteers' who just happen to be driving a Russian-army-only model of tank? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #21

There are reports those tanks came from the Ukrainian army itself . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #24

No, nothing there about the T-72BM model with Kontakt-5 armour muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #25

They have T-72 MP with reactive armor and even T-80 with it jakeXT Aug 2014 #28

But it came from RT, so it must be accurate. 7962 Aug 2014 #29

Insults always insults . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #33

When they don't have facts, they only have insults to fall back on. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #64

And when we do have facts, you seem to want to end the conversation. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #65

Ummm... some facts were posted. These are models of tanks ONLY THE RUSSIANS have. Adrahil Aug 2014 #107

Sorry, but trying to discern 'facts' from all the invective and propaganda flying VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #111

Your saying that there's no evidence of Russian involvement? IronGate Aug 2014 #112

Man, you are seriously in the tank for Putin.... Adrahil Aug 2014 #129

President Putin and Chinese Premier Li Ping are going to have to manage VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #137

Wow. IronGate Aug 2014 #139

Positing Russia as an Equal Partner With China, Sir, Is Particularly Humorous The Magistrate Aug 2014 #142

What is your source for that information? another_liberal Aug 2014 #186

His source was undoubtedly a Right Sector press release or a VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #196

No, go back and read #21 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #200

is this another social media success? reorg Aug 2014 #211

Well, you spelled "oops" right. candelista Aug 2014 #230

we use it in German, too reorg Aug 2014 #231

You've got no room to criticize anyone on their source. IronGate Aug 2014 #210

Speaking of insults... truth2power Aug 2014 #163

It is a personal hatred of Russia on the part of some . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #185

Russian Persecution Of Gay People 'Insults Their Lifestyle', Fella? The Magistrate Aug 2014 #201

Some people want war, clearly . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #234

You, Sir, Made The Statement They Were Doing So; I Simply Quoted You The Magistrate Aug 2014 #235

That's only your interpretation of my reply . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #236

Try That On Someone Who Does Not Speak English, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #237

Still excusing and defending Putin and his lackey's I see. IronGate Aug 2014 #39

Almost everything you post excusing Putin ends up being wrong. RT news? Please. 7962 Aug 2014 #27

Next time I take leave Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #31

Yes...Russian volunteers. OnlinePoker Aug 2014 #36

Those "volunteers" have access to Russian only model tanks too? EX500rider Aug 2014 #103

RT is "the other side of the story"? Hopefully these guys can find their way back to Moscow. "LOST" Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #133

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA tabasco Aug 2014 #155

another_liberal..You should know by now that rt is not considered a credible source, because truth2power Aug 2014 #183

Rights adviser to Putin says Russia "invading" Ukraine Bosonic Aug 2014 #32

Member of Putin's Human Rights Council: I consider this an invasion. pampango Aug 2014 #34

UN Security Council to hold emergency session on situation in Ukraine at 2pm ET Bosonic Aug 2014 #38

Ha-ha-ha. The UN Security Council proved its utter and complete VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #44

But you cheer Russia's war crimes and geek tragedy Aug 2014 #47

Why don't you learn a little bit about fascism before VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #54

Elections are a sham in fascist Russia. geek tragedy Aug 2014 #57

Sigh. You're hopeless. Buh-bye, now. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #58

As expected, IronGate Aug 2014 #60

...... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #62

Fits poster to a tee. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #63

Every time. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #134

Sounds like fascism to me. From wiki: pampango Aug 2014 #131

funny, every single one of those characteristics save the last applies equally to VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #135

None of which would possible without Russia's sizable conservative population. /nt Ash_F Aug 2014 #77

You know who also has a multiparty parliamentary system of government? Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #61

You sure have become one of the leading Russia/Putin cheeleaders here. IronGate Aug 2014 #53

Ukrainian forces (mostly National Guard with a few neo-Nazi VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #41

Outstanding post. ballyhoo Aug 2014 #43

Do you really think posting this rightwing geek tragedy Aug 2014 #45

Ha-ha-ha. "Putin is a fascist" - Best laugh of the morning. (Putin lost VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #49

Putin and his supporters are fascist geek tragedy Aug 2014 #51

LMAO. And Obama is a Communist from Kenya in your mindscape. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #55

No, we liberals know a bigoted fascist thug geek tragedy Aug 2014 #59

The ones shelling cities right? Cayenne Aug 2014 #214

War is hell. Which is why those who launch geek tragedy Aug 2014 #233

A rose is a rose, etc. Adrahil Aug 2014 #184

"Will not tolerate poitical dissent" but allows a large bloc of Communist MPs VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #190

Heheh... you're a funny guy. Adrahil Aug 2014 #194

Putin's approval rating: 88%. Obama's? Meh, not so much. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #195

That has nothing to do with anything. Adrahil Aug 2014 #197

It may not have anything to do with anything, but it certainly goes to the question of VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #198

No. I don't. Adrahil Aug 2014 #203

A brutal thug with an 88% domestic approval rating. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #204

Yup... What's your point? Are you trying to say he's a good guy because people like him in Russia? Adrahil Aug 2014 #205

Obama's approval rating is 39%, last time I checked. Means Putin is more VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #208

Plenty Of People Approve Of Brutality, Sir, And Of Dictatorship, For That Matter The Magistrate Aug 2014 #209

North Korea 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #216

Um, Stalin defeated Hitler. That's a 'win' in anyone's book, save the neo-Nazi VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #217

Good lord man!!!! IronGate Aug 2014 #219

Yes, Stalin was a real swell guy. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #220

Typical Idol worship 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #222

I can't believe anyone on any board would defend Stalin love. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #223

True Colors 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #225

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #224

Before or After 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #226

Well, Zhukov most certainly wasn't 'put to death' and, in fact, maintained cordial relations VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #227

So seriously.....you're seriously praising Stalin now. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #228

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #229

Juror No. 7 for the win! nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #232

Conservatives love Rush Limbaugh. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #207

Here's an idea, IronGate Aug 2014 #212

Yeah, and a chunk of polonium just happened to fall into Alexander Litvinenko's soup NickB79 Sep 2014 #252

The US right now is the number one inverse fascist country on ballyhoo Aug 2014 #67

.... IronGate Aug 2014 #213

Actually, the Ukrainian government had the upper hand in the fight very recently. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #52

Or everything you said is assorted bunk and Putin was counting ballyhoo Aug 2014 #68

Pretty sure Putin doesn't care what I think. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #70

Those became defunct when ballyhoo Aug 2014 #71

What? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #72

What was the treaty? Did that treaty include the US ballyhoo Aug 2014 #73

Listen, I really appreciate your attempt to confuse me with 1L jargon and all. It's cute. However... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #74

Your revision of the Budapest Memorandum nothwithstanding, the US's ballyhoo Aug 2014 #86

Putin had every right to annex Crimea to protect its interests. IronGate Aug 2014 #88

Why not Canada? Lot of 'ethnic English speakers' there. We must protect them from themselves. freshwest Aug 2014 #113

Hell, why not? IronGate Aug 2014 #114

It Is Clear You Understand Nothing About The Subject, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #89

That makes zero logical sense. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #98

Quick reminder: Russia invaded Ukraine with tanks; there's been no US military involvement muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #75

The Maidan was enough of an ballyhoo Aug 2014 #92

Can you tell the difference between a Ukrainian and an American? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #93

It was an invasion by Americans to change the government in Kieve. Nuland and her ballyhoo Aug 2014 #94

Good lord, IronGate Aug 2014 #95

Words Actually Mean Things, Whether In Common Parlance Or Law, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #96

So whenever anyone from another country visits a country, it constitutes an invasion? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #99

Visits? If they visit and disrupt the government ballyhoo Aug 2014 #101

Not Even The Definition You Provide, Sir, Matches Your Claim Of What The Word Means The Magistrate Aug 2014 #104

And Valerie Nuland with a bag of cookies constitutes an invading force? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #109

Absurd and desperate as more and more facts emerge IronGate Aug 2014 #110

Nuland's cookies are the real issue here, no doubt about it. Actual photo of them here: freshwest Aug 2014 #119

Pretty colored cookies. IronGate Aug 2014 #120

I acted upon that desire, myself. Those OREOs tasted great! freshwest Aug 2014 #156

The bag of cookies is a metaphor for ballyhoo Aug 2014 #121

HaHaHaHa. IronGate Aug 2014 #122

Which was.......what? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #123

Working for the Obama Administration, Victoria Nuland spent ballyhoo Aug 2014 #125

Yeah, that one was rated "Pants on Fire" by Politifact Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #126

It's common knowledge now and her leaked phone calls ballyhoo Aug 2014 #128

So a phone call is the proof of a US sponsored coup? Really? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #130

What Is Common Knowledge, Sir, Is That Figure, As You Present It, Is Utterly Bogus The Magistrate Aug 2014 #136

Yes, I remember that... Thanks for posting it here. freshwest Aug 2014 #157

Links? Other than RT? nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #127

How did we miss planting an American flag there? We did with the Moon. Guess we ran out of flags. freshwest Aug 2014 #118

Well let's see: First the Orange "Revolution". Pres Yushenko's wife? American Neo-con newthinking Aug 2014 #162

Your Attempt To Explain International Law And Contract, Sir, Would Be Most Amusing.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #76

Well, to some that was just a piece of paper, you know... freshwest Aug 2014 #124

Cover for Poroshenko.... Xolodno Aug 2014 #48

If it were a 'full-scale invasion,' Russian T-72s and T-80s would VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #50

And your slavering support for the RW fascist govt of Putin IronGate Aug 2014 #56

f-ng vatniks meMeMEEEE Aug 2014 #82

That's how I figure it too. There is a lot of ballyhoo Aug 2014 #69

There's alot of support for the RW fascist Putin and Russia's invasion of Ukraine IronGate Aug 2014 #79

Not just on this board either. nilesobek Aug 2014 #80

This is how WW3 will start. Does Pat Robertson know ballyhoo Aug 2014 #83

And Putin seems determined to start it with his invasion of Ukraine. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #87

Definately a lot of that...haven't seen that stuff since... Xolodno Aug 2014 #85

Kutuzov would be proud. He was the master of disguise, causing ballyhoo Aug 2014 #91

"The people were very nice and everything was real organized." EX500rider Aug 2014 #106

Sigh. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #116

Ever been to Russia? nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #117

The people are nice yes, IronGate Aug 2014 #108

So would Zhukov. VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #115

One hopes, actually. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #141

Why don't you like Tymoshenko? She is so pretty and she looks ballyhoo Aug 2014 #143

‘Nuclear weapons’ should be used to kill Russians JackRiddler Aug 2014 #152

I was kidding, Jack. I can't stand the ballyhoo Aug 2014 #153

OSCE: "the Russian Federation is behind the violence" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #78

I Love The 'Russians Soldiers Are Fighting Here, But They're On Leave' Line, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #81

It's a line no-one here would believe for a moment if the USA ever tried to use it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #84

so what was the line when Blackwater mercenaries were seen in Donetsk? reorg Aug 2014 #161

Clearing Out The 'Greatest Hits' File Does Not Help, Especially When It Is A Circular File, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #167

It was reported in the reliably anti-Putin German press reorg Aug 2014 #168

All You Are Doing Is Dredging Up Fish-Wrap, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #170

Blackwater and their successor names are mercenaries muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #173

I see. So, that's the line. reorg Aug 2014 #174

If you can't tell the difference between a government and a private company muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #175

I told you the difference n/t reorg Aug 2014 #176

No; you are pretending that Putin sending in columns of tanks to Ukraine is the equivalent muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #177

Well, following your example I might point out that these "columns" reorg Aug 2014 #191

Oh yes, of course "patriotic organisations" in Russia have squadrons of tanks lying around muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #199

Shock and awe over Ukraine? reorg Aug 2014 #202

Privatized the Military? IronGate Aug 2014 #215

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings reorg Aug 2014 #221

The 'boys' were lost, it's not their fault! Canada claims they are geographically challenged: freshwest Aug 2014 #158

More than 100 Russian soldiers killed in 1 battle - members of Russian human rights council muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #90

Well, I think their "uneasy" relationship with the Kremlin just got a TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #105

are these the same 100 Russian soldiers reorg Aug 2014 #164

Probably Not, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #165

if true, this information from second-hand hearsay reorg Aug 2014 #169

The 'Volunteer' Wheeze Is Very Old, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #172

You're getting more desperate and absurd trying to justify and excuse IronGate Aug 2014 #218