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andym

(5,585 posts)
Sun Oct 20, 2024, 11:15 PM Sunday

Why many Democrats find this presidential campaign uniquely unsettling [View all]

How does America move forward when so many of our fellow citizens embrace a candidate and a message so fundamentally un-American?
Oct. 19, 2024, 3:00 AM PDT
By Michael A. Cohen, MSNBC Columnist
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/democratic-panic-kamala-harris-donald-trump-polls-rcna176170

"There is one question that dominates every political conversation and every group chat in Democratic enclaves across America, and it’s not “Will Kamala Harris win the election?” It’s “How is Donald Trump this close to winning?”

--snip-- [section that states Democrats worry more than Republicans]

Emotionally, however, this is hardly a satisfactory answer. For many Democrats, Trump’s continued viability as a presidential candidate speaks to something more fundamental and concerning: How can someone as odious and malignant as Trump maintain so much popular support?

It’s not just that Trump’s four years in office were defined by unimaginable incompetence, venality, chaos and cruelty. It’s not just that he is a convicted felon who spurred an insurrection and still refuses to accept the results of the 2020 election. It’s not just that many Democrats can’t comprehend why anyone would want to return to those days. The larger and more disquieting issue is the campaign Trump is running right now: one that is as vile and as openly racist as any campaign in perhaps all of American history — and that includes his previous runs for the White House.

--snip-- [read more of Mr. Cohen's arguments talking about how Trump is demonizing immigrants, minorities and opponents using fascist and NAZI rhetoric]

Even if Trump loses, he will still likely get 45%-47% of the popular vote. How does America move forward when so many of our fellow citizens embrace a candidate and a message so fundamentally un-American? Defeating Trump is obviously essential, but as this presidential election, like the two before it, has made clear, America is a very different place than many of us imagined."
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Trump's level of support to even 45% of the electorate is very bad news for the USA. How can this be rectified? A serious counter movement to MAGA is needed. Another question is how do some folks vote based on very little actual information able to disregard widespread knowledge of how vile Trump is as a person and how un-American are his proposals.

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The level of ignorance that he and his followers revel in is what's scary. They are proud of how stupid they are. cutroot Sunday #1
Algorithmic Bias: Reinforcing Prejudice on Social Media TomCADem 21 hrs ago #8
Republicans have spent the last 40 years or more destroying the education system. Xipe Totec 8 hrs ago #36
It's a clear indicator of some real, major political, historical and social dysfunction if even 15% of the population lees1975 Sunday #2
Unsettling is an understatement. I see President Trump wining MI NC GA NV and AZ and becoming kelly1mm Yesterday #3
He's behind in MI, PA and WI, and if he doesn't win those, she gets 277. But she'll get all of them. lees1975 Yesterday #5
I only have him winning MI of the 'Blue Wall' states. Assuming he does win MI kelly1mm Yesterday #6
She is up by 8 points in Michigan. lees1975 17 hrs ago #19
Here is a top rated poll that has her down 3 points in MI. kelly1mm 14 hrs ago #28
RCP is not a top rated poll. lees1975 13 hrs ago #31
Trump "winning" Scarlet Begalas 16 hrs ago #20
Darn it you caught me! Been on DU since 2009 and have 5000+ posts all leading up kelly1mm 14 hrs ago #29
Links please PortTack 15 hrs ago #24
I am only predicting a MI win as of now but PA is slipping into a pure coin flip. Here is a recent poll kelly1mm 14 hrs ago #30
RCP is trash. Forget it. If she's down by an average of 3 that means she's winning by 4. lees1975 13 hrs ago #32
RCP is just the server hosting the PDF from the polling company. kelly1mm 12 hrs ago #35
He's not winning all those states. n/t wryter2000 18 hrs ago #15
I hope I am wrong. We will see in about 2 weeks. nt kelly1mm 17 hrs ago #16
Really? MFM008 17 hrs ago #17
2016 and 2020 were just as unsettling. J_William_Ryan Yesterday #4
And how many of us face this in our own families? callous taoboy Yesterday #7
This is the toughest part for me. maxsolomon 19 hrs ago #12
This the toughest part for me Scarlet Begalas 16 hrs ago #21
This one is specifically linked to her Dad. maxsolomon 16 hrs ago #23
Despite the stock market being at record highs....sounds like dad has a tough time facing the reality of things PortTack 14 hrs ago #27
He attends Mass weekly. maxsolomon 13 hrs ago #33
What's unsettling is that he's not polling in single digits. tinrobot 20 hrs ago #9
Engage nvme 19 hrs ago #10
Because they are MFM008 17 hrs ago #18
Education k0rs 19 hrs ago #11
Education Scarlet Begalas 16 hrs ago #22
Trump should have been jailed January 7th. No bail. Do not pass go. Initech 19 hrs ago #13
I wonder if that 45% hasn't always been there wryter2000 18 hrs ago #14
I grew up in Amarillo Texas a half century ago. markodochartaigh 14 hrs ago #26
The Christian nationalism that is becoming a bigger issue was buried in the votes of those lees1975 13 hrs ago #34
No, this mess is not going away with a Harris victory on 11/5...which is going to happen...but PortTack 15 hrs ago #25
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