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socialist_n_TN

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27. Well yeah, I'm going to draw conclusions about this trade deal.........

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:45 PM

Nov 2014

but those conclusions will be based on historical FACT. Among those facts, the FACT that past trade agreements have been terrible for workers, the FACT that it's being negotiated in secret, the FACT that the negotiators are the well-heeled members of the bourgeoisie who have proven over and over again that they do NOT have workers' interests in mind, the FACT that fast-track has already been called for which leads to the FACT that a fast-track deal will NOT give opponents enough time to actually parse the agreement, the FACT that these types of fast-track deal mean that the political toadies of the bourgeoisie will attempt to ram-rod this through before most people even know about it. And those facts are just off the top of my head.

IF the negotiators want people to support this, they will negotiate transparently. Until they do, I'm going to be suspicious BECAUSE of the FACTS laid out above.

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Secret tribunals part of “Trojan Horse” Trans-Pacific trade deal [View all] Starry Messenger Nov 2014 OP

Sovereignty loss creep. L0oniX Nov 2014 #1

Just remember who helped write it and who champions it. djean111 Nov 2014 #2

Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Dept (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Nov 2014 #5

Amen.... daleanime Nov 2014 #6

Costly trade costs jobs. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #3

Is the TPP the absolute WORST piece of mislabeled, corrupt, ant-democratic "diplomacy" ever schemed? Faryn Balyncd Nov 2014 #4

Let's secretly tribunal these multinationals into prison, the major owners, CEOs, and BoDs. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #7

OK. Sounds like a socialist revolution to me.. socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #12

IMO, this is the issue that separates Democrats from pretenders. Maedhros Nov 2014 #8

The Corporations want to control the Planet PeoViejo Nov 2014 #9

Anyone around here actually READ the document???? George II Nov 2014 #10

Nobody can read the document. It's being negotiated in secret BY..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #11

That's my point. So how is it that so many people know so much about what it contains? George II Nov 2014 #13

Leaks, leaks, leaks........ socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #15

No doubt OBJECTIVELY leaked?????? George II Nov 2014 #16

What does that mean? Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #17

It means that the so-called "leaks" were not filtered to prove a point before they were leaked. George II Nov 2014 #18

Well, if you have another source, you're welcome to post it. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #19

So? As Starry said, you're more than welcome to bring something ...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #20

I'm not the one claiming to know the detailed contents of an agreement that hasn't even been.... George II Nov 2014 #21

It's called recognizing a pattern. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #22

aka "profiling"! George II Nov 2014 #23

Of a trade bill? Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #24

You're making drawing conclusions about the TPP based a "pattern" - that's equivalent.... George II Nov 2014 #26

Well yeah, I'm going to draw conclusions about this trade deal......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #27

There's a first time for everything! Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #29

Yeah Starry. it's like breaking windows or setting fire to a trash can..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #28

Yep. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #30

I don't know Starry, he was kind of fun to toy with...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #31

Sorry! Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #32

No problem comrade, he was definitely riding the edge.... socialist_n_TN Nov 2014 #33

We've seen enough that's been TBF Nov 2014 #25

K & R ctsnowman Nov 2014 #14