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F4lconF16

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11. That's good...

Sun May 10, 2015, 03:44 PM

May 2015

And I am certainly no advocate of violence (though I'm not going to criticize things like the Baltimore riots, either--that place was ripe to be burned down, agree with the actions taken or not. That's political protest, in my mind).

As far as the D-Party being the party of Wall Street, for me, yes and no. It's a vehicle that working people use for reform and to get some social parity among the nationally oppressed. It is also a party that supports capitalism, but opposes (even though weakly at times) the ultra-right free-market version that the Republicans have unleashed on states like KS and WI.

So even though I have to hold my nose for some of my votes, it's still worth it to protect some working class needs and gains with even the smallest tools we have. If we lose any more union density, we can kiss democracy goodbye. We'd be hella fucked, in my Marxist-Leninist opinion. We won't get to socialism if a tea party Franco gets in power.

I think there's a very interesting discussion to be had there. That's part of what I'm attempting to come to grips with while working with the ISO in Seattle. But a discussion for another time. I appreciate your response and your perspective on DU as a whole.

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How do you participate on this site? [View all] F4lconF16 May 2015 OP

you answered your own question here : Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #1

I'm a bit confused by your response. F4lconF16 May 2015 #2

I would think it's fine to support Kshama Sawant and similar candidates Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #3

Ah. F4lconF16 May 2015 #5

Thanks Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #7

It's crappy the way they are going after Sawant vive la commune May 2015 #18

You are correct. F4lconF16 May 2015 #29

I have been overwhelmed by the support for Bernie here ~ TBF May 2015 #4

Thanks for the response. F4lconF16 May 2015 #10

IMO calling for "agitators on the streets" or a full blown country wide work stoppage is different Vincardog May 2015 #14

Yes, agreed. F4lconF16 May 2015 #15

The amount of violence in a socialist revolution is in direct proportion...... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #20

Same here. F4lconF16 May 2015 #25

I was hoping you'd chime in ~ TBF May 2015 #30

Just keep it in theoretical terms T......... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #32

I support Bernie Sanders myself, vive la commune May 2015 #22

My personal view is that the limiting factor of capitalism is going to be climate change. F4lconF16 May 2015 #26

As far as I can tell, as long as we don't advocate violence Starry Messenger May 2015 #6

That's good... F4lconF16 May 2015 #11

I totally agree about the tea party vive la commune May 2015 #23

The Democratic Party is a tool. Bernie knows! yallerdawg May 2015 #8

I think this is where the discussion hinges on whether you are a revolutionary or revisionary F4lconF16 May 2015 #13

The section of the proletariat in the US that is doing well is getting smaller and smaller... vive la commune May 2015 #24

I speak my mind, truthfully. Maedhros May 2015 #9

Fair enough. F4lconF16 May 2015 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #16

Some very good points... F4lconF16 May 2015 #17

Great discussion dreamnightwind May 2015 #19

I belong to a group called Workers Power, a part of the League........ socialist_n_TN May 2015 #21

There are some of us here who are well left of center. guillaumeb May 2015 #27

Only every day ;) F4lconF16 May 2015 #28

You are fortunate to be in Seattle TBF May 2015 #31