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thucythucy

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16. I don't know if I could categorize it as film noire,
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:06 PM
Apr 2024

though many of the camera techniques are similar, and much of the dialogue is more sophisticated, more cynical even, than was usual for the time. It definitely has the rapid fire delivery that would become a standard in noire screenplays.

And then the use of shadows, the camera angles, are certainly similar to noire. Ilsa's first appearance above the club, the shadows in Victor and Ilsa's room when Victor looks out the window to see "our friend" who's been tailing them, the shadows that fall over her face all through the film, all seem to be precursors to what would become standard to noire.

The Maltese Falcon had come out the year before and there certainly are similarities between Richard Blaine and Sam Spade. Spade's playing both sides -- or all sides -- of the game, and Rick seeming to first reject Lazlo's plea and then seeming to actively try to frame him, is kind of analogous to Spade's relationship to Archer's wife and his rather ambiguous morality. And then both characters redeem themselves at the end, though Spade of course throws O'Shaunessy under the bus, while Rick does the opposite for Ilsa and Lazlo.

In what I think of as pure noire--like Double Indemnity--the leading characters, male and female, are totally unredeemed. The Fred MacMurray character may try to redeem himself at the end, but only after he's committed two murders and believes he might be dying himself.

So I wouldn't say it's pure noire, but it definitely adopts a noire sensibility, at least in the cinematography.

It's an interesting question though, but then I'm no certainly expert at all on the subject.

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Also the Letters of Transit.. Permanut Apr 2024 #1
I don't mind that. thucythucy Apr 2024 #11
Just some more information, not a reply. LiberalLoner Apr 2024 #2
Yes, and I think this gives the film an added poignancy. nt thucythucy Apr 2024 #12
I always heard it as De Gaulle myself ... Auggie Apr 2024 #3
Same peeves about it as you have! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2024 #4
I always thought he said General De Gaulle too, but just now grumpyduck Apr 2024 #5
I don't think Lorre made a mistake. thucythucy Apr 2024 #13
I didn't realize that Casablanca was a documentary. I thought it was just a movie Deuxcents Apr 2024 #6
Actually, as Hollywood movies of that era go, thucythucy Apr 2024 #14
"Signed by General DeGaulle" Frasier Balzov Apr 2024 #7
Nope, he's saying "Weygand," thucythucy Apr 2024 #15
You're right. Frasier Balzov Apr 2024 #18
Well, it's a hugely common mistake, thucythucy Apr 2024 #19
Splendid piece. Thanks for sharing on my favorite film. I too feel the renewed wound when "Sam", Dooley Wilson's... brush Apr 2024 #8
I don't know if I could categorize it as film noire, thucythucy Apr 2024 #16
Again an excellent read. And I have to dispute your last sentence... brush Apr 2024 #20
Thank you for all your kind words. thucythucy Apr 2024 #21
"Is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?" Frasier Balzov Apr 2024 #9
I think the issue is different in Huckleberry Finn. thucythucy Apr 2024 #17
It might as well have been made in 1939 with social attitudes like that reflected in the movie ZonkerHarris Apr 2024 #10
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