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In reply to the discussion: Older beginning guitar player [View all]

Munificence

(493 posts)
11. Other things
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:13 PM
Mar 2013

You should consider is record yourself or making your own backing tracks at different tempos. For instance with you saying something to the tune of you trying to do improv and it not sounding good. I'd suggest since you know your major scale and your minor pentatonic then you should say pick a G chord, strum it in time for maybe 5 minutes and record it, then you go back play it and try to improvise over it and only it, simply play your G major (Ionian) and you major pentatonic scales (please not that in G you have the "relative minor" is E, so you can play your Eminor pentatonic and it is the same notes as your G pentatonic.

So record a rhythm of G over and over again, then play only those 2 scales. Think of your own melody over that G chord and try to reproduce in time, then once you get comfortable doing this, then go back and do say a G chord for 8 measures then a C chord for 8 measures over and over again, then work on your lead over paying special attention to the chord change...pretty simple to start, when you have the change coming up, right when you change hit a C note...that's the best way to do it...when you go back to G, make sure you hit a G note. Once you get comfortable with this, then start expanding on your Triad. You should have studied your Triads by now (and inversions) so now you will start seeing that in the case in G major the notes that make up your triad (chord) are G,B and D, so try to use these notes more than others when you are in that chord. The Diminished 7 (in G that would be the note of F#) is really a "grace" note..as in use it to slide or hammer onto G verses trying to use it as a quarter note.

Little things like this take a long time to learn, but it will all come SLOWLY!

Another suggestion and I am sure you have heard it "ear training". You mentioned intervals, well man, say them allowed or hum them in tune. If you go from the root to the 3rd say in G major then you are going G-B....say out loud in tune with the notes and this will help your ear training on your intervals. Also "recognize intervals as other songs". So if you go from the root to the 3rd of the major scale you should hear the 1st two notes of "happy trails to you"...now in the future if you will hear those 2 notes and say "wow that's an interval of a 3rd"

Once you practice this ear and interval training it will stick out about as obvious as a friend calling you, for instance if someone familiar calls you as soon as they start to speak you recognize who they are by their voice.....hearing intervals is just like this. You hear an interval of 2 notes and low and behold you will be able to recognize it just like you would a familiar voice.

I have asked friends that were "good" at playing music how much time to they think once has to put into guitar to become proficient, we've pondered and pondered it and have come to the conclusion that outside of being a true natural then one should expect about 10K hours!

I have an engineering degree was easy as pie to get it, I played college golf, I likewise played a year of college baseball, I was in Nuclear Weapons in the military, I delivered my 3rd kid on my bathroom floor, I started a business from the ground up at age 29 and sold it and retired at 40.........None of these things or "accomplishments" were as hard as learning to be a "real player" of the guitar.

Older beginning guitar player [View all] Flashmann Mar 2013 OP
Here's a (hopefully) encouraging update ... Scuba Mar 2013 #1
not naturally gifted Flashmann Mar 2013 #3
Sounds like you're on the right track and have a good teacher. Scuba Mar 2013 #5
BTW, one of the best YouTube teachers is Marty Schwartz .... Scuba Mar 2013 #2
Exactly who I was going to recommend- digonswine Mar 2013 #6
Marty Schwartz Flashmann Mar 2013 #4
I've been playing Munificence Mar 2013 #7
I recommend for folks is to learn the "CAGED SYSTEM". Flashmann Mar 2013 #9
Other things Munificence Mar 2013 #11
Other things Flashmann Mar 2013 #12
Don't get weighed down Munificence Mar 2013 #13
weighed down Flashmann Mar 2013 #14
I started playing when I was 14, self taught but later hung out at Berklee and got some Zorra Mar 2013 #8
you just ruined your life with this awful addiction. Flashmann Mar 2013 #10
Also know this: Iggo Mar 2013 #15
just one more guitar. Flashmann Mar 2013 #16
It doesn't, but it can be controlled. Iggo Mar 2013 #17
Amps! Flashmann Mar 2013 #18
I am a guitar SNOB Munificence Mar 2013 #19
There's a Guy on Guitar Central.com You Should Check Out ProfessorGAC Apr 2013 #20
Claude Johnson? Flashmann Apr 2013 #21
That's Him ProfessorGAC Apr 2013 #26
If I may.... clarice Apr 2013 #22
If I may.... Flashmann Apr 2013 #23
fly away fingers. lol clarice Apr 2013 #24
heard of Tony Rice? Flashmann Apr 2013 #25
Flash.... clarice Apr 2013 #27
Come on man.... Munificence May 2013 #30
you didn't even listen to the song Flashmann May 2013 #31
Bluegrass is where acoustic players go to really stretch their limits. jeepnstein May 2013 #42
Don't think of flat picking as the domain of dumb hillbillies. Flashmann May 2013 #43
Don't know how I morphed the thread into an acoustic guitar thread. jeepnstein May 2013 #44
Sorry for rambling, I just get wrapped up in talking music some times. Flashmann May 2013 #45
I am also older and late to pick up a guitar I have one addition suggestion stevebreeze May 2013 #28
I am also older Flashmann May 2013 #29
Jam buddies are great Munificence May 2013 #32
next time I'll tell them to break your stings! Flashmann May 2013 #33
Although it may not be in your Munificence May 2013 #34
about taking time off Flashmann May 2013 #35
Just listened Flashmann May 2013 #36
Haha Munificence May 2013 #37
So was what I heard as fingerpicking Flashmann May 2013 #38
Yes! Munificence May 2013 #39
30-50 hours a week Flashmann May 2013 #40
Keep playing regulary Munificence May 2013 #41
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