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Auggie

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Sun Mar 19, 2023, 08:40 AM Mar 2023

A per-mile highway toll? It's being studied for the Bay Area. [View all]

Bay Area transportation planners predict that by 2050, the region’s highways will be overwhelmed by miserable traffic congestion, with the skies clouded by the attendant pollution.

To avoid that grim future, planners are in the middle of a two-year study examining what, they say, could be a potential solution: charging people a per-mile fee to drive on Bay Area highways and, possibly, surrounding arterial roads, starting in 2035.

The study led by the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, the region’s transportation planning body, has not determined specifics, such as price points and which highways or surrounding arterials motorists would pay to drive on. Still in its early stages, an actual recommendation won’t come to light until winter 2024.

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(Two) strategies involve “all-lane” tolling on highways with “existing or planned regional rail or frequent express bus service.” The proposals highlight most major Bay Area highways, such as Interstates 880, 680, 580, 280 and 80, and Highway 101 as potential tolling candidates. Enacting tolls on most or all of those highways would make it highly unlikely motorists would avoid paying a fee to get around the region by car.

LINK (paywall): https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/bay-area-traffic-highway-tolls-17827746.php

Other strategies (according to the link):

• All-lane highway tolling to include “major parallel arterials to limit diversion” (such as San Pablo Avenue in the East Bay, which runs next to Interstates 580 and 80).

• Cordon pricing that charges drivers to enter the downtowns of San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose.

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The story mentions that any scenario is going to face strong protest if there aren't adequate public transit alternatives. While I support public transit (and depended on it for decades), it doesn't work for everyone and doesn't go everywhere. To suggest otherwise is folly.

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NJ Turnpike is sort of like that. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #1
As a former frequent driver on it, I'd pay tolls and gasoline tax, when 80% of mileage was on it. TheBlackAdder Mar 2023 #2
I read this as more of a congestion issue than an EV issue. But I couldn't get the Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #3
Oh, I didn't read it. It's just one of the excuses toll road proponents use to justify the fleecing. TheBlackAdder Mar 2023 #4
Lol! Yep! I bet you're right! Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #5
I was one of those that fought former Gov. Jon Corzine's toll road scam he was trying to implement. TheBlackAdder Mar 2023 #6
Thanks for your posts Auggie Mar 2023 #9
Not that I'm knocking your article, but in most states, don't they already have admin. boards SWBTATTReg Mar 2023 #18
It depends on how the charter is written. It won't use the standard State DOT commission. TheBlackAdder Mar 2023 #21
It's a congestion and carbon emissions story Auggie Mar 2023 #8
They kind of do that with the express lane. They better have adequate affordable mass transit if JohnSJ Mar 2023 #7
The rich have helicopters. usonian Mar 2023 #10
The jobs that the poor are concentrated in are not able to WFH MichMan Mar 2023 #11
Exactly. Additionally, most have been priced out of the Bay Area ... Auggie Mar 2023 #13
Why would the "skies be clouded by attendant pollution" ? MichMan Mar 2023 #12
Public transit conundrum lambchopp59 Mar 2023 #14
These "Bay Area transportation planners" must be new to the area. Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #15
It got worse. Especially in the North Bay. Auggie Mar 2023 #16
I'm sure it did. Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #17
Again, TFG is way ahead of us. Flying cars! Who needs roads? Midnight Writer Mar 2023 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Midnight Writer Mar 2023 #20
Great. Grind down the working man/woman The Mouth Mar 2023 #22
It's just an idea for now Auggie Mar 2023 #23
A stupid, elitist, anti-working class one The Mouth Mar 2023 #24
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