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LeftishBrit

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8. It's not any specific item that bothers me so much...
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:33 AM
Apr 2015

not even the tuition fees on their own. All parties will court the students' vote and then betray them - I'm old enough to remember Blair doing so too; one of the things that put me off him well before Iraq.

It's their enabling of right-wing vicious mean-spirited Tories.

There are two possible narratives about it, I suppose. One is that the LibDems helped Cameron to power, and thus helped Duncan-Smith and others such as Shapps and Pickles to practice vicious sadism against poor people, and Lansley to sell off the NHS. The other is that maybe the Tories would have formed a government anyway, and would have practiced even more vicious sadism against poor people and sold the NHS even more totally. However, I do think that the nastiness of some of the Tories should have precluded the LDs remaining in coalition with them, even if they were daft enough to think that they could go in with them in the first place.

I think that the problem with the parties in general is that the MPs all have to play follow-the-leader, and so cannot act independently. And yes, this has some advantages with regard to the crazier Tories -Bill Cash and John Redwood unchained would be an even worse problem than they are now - but not with regard to 'wet' Tories under Thatcher, or anti-war Labourites under Blair, or anti-bedroom-tax LDs under the coalition.The LDs had the attraction of being 60 semi-independent MPs at a time when Labour were following Blair like cloned sheep, and the Tories were doing the same to the post-Thatcherites. Perhaps we should have all realized that this wouldn't continue if they did go in coalition; but we were mostly too horrified by the effects of disproportionately-large parliamentary majorities on elected-dictator types like Thatcher and Blair.

Also, most of the local LD councillors and MP candidates in my constituency were/are on the left of their party, and while I knew this intellectually, I didn't quite take in how RW some LDs were, even before the coalition.

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they expect anyone to believe that tripe after they became Cameron's rurallib Apr 2015 #1
Most politicians are hypocrites, but Clegg is less good at hiding it than most LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #2
That's pretty much how most people view the Lib Dems T_i_B Apr 2015 #4
Exactly why the Lib Dem vote collapsed, particularly in the Home Counties. mwooldri Apr 2015 #7
I can' talk about Lib Dems in the Home Counties at the moment T_i_B Apr 2015 #9
Once on GD they were reporting some Republican nutter who wanted to ban human/jellyfish hybrids... LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #3
hmmm... Ironing Man Apr 2015 #5
It's not any specific item that bothers me so much... LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #8
the LDP has two big tendencies: the social-dem and the "liberal" (which in Europe of course MisterP Apr 2015 #6
So.... T_i_B May 2015 #10
Depends whether they keep the local party going or not. mwooldri May 2015 #11
UK General Election kick T_i_B Apr 2017 #12
Why are threads from the 2015 election being re-posted now? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #13
Because a general election has been called T_i_B Apr 2017 #14
Yes, it's been interesting to be reminded what some of us posted a couple of years ago, Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #15
Doesn't help that they keep calling general elections every 2 years at present! T_i_B Nov 2019 #16
Well, it's 2024 now T_i_B May 2024 #19
If the 2019 GE is all about Brexit... mwooldri Nov 2019 #17
No, that's wrong. The Tories have more Scottish MPs than Labour or the Lib Dems: Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #18
I've mentioned elsewhere that my old Lib Dem MP Alan Reid is standing again in Argyll, Bute & Lochaber Emrys May 2024 #20
Willie Rennie is the father of the cringe Lib Dem publicity stunt T_i_B May 2024 #21
He seems to have been of the school of thought that no publicity is bad publicity Emrys May 2024 #22
OK, they don't need Willie Rennie. Ed Davey has got this. Emrys May 2024 #23
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