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Denzil_DC

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13. "Now you may consider those people to be 'inpure' or even traitors
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:34 AM
Apr 2015

but that says more about you then"

You know, I believe this is the second interaction I've had with you on this forum where you've erected a straw man out your suppositions about what I think, then proceeded to berate me for it. It's getting a bit tired.

Where in my post did I say anything, anything at all, that could be construed as my considering non-Welsh speakers to be "impure" or "traitors." Good grief, it's pure projection on your part, and borders on trolling. It says more about one of us, but I don't think it's me in this case.

I even pointed out that the very leader of Plaid Cymru isn't a Welsh speaker. I think none the worse of her for it. My forebears came from the same Valleys where she lives, and it's never been a Welsh-language stronghold. My mother learned Welsh relatively late in life, my father was always bilingual. Both Welsh and English were spoken in our household, which is far from unusual. I had both bilingual and non-bilingual friends at school, was streamed in English-language teaching classes in primary and secondary education, and the bulk of my closer schoolfriends were actually from English families, because we had a military base nearby and quite a number of them passed though our school when their parents were posted there.

You baldly state I'm "wrong." I was born and brought up bilingual in Wales. I'm familiar with how the language issue plays out there. Whereas you, from a distant perch, presume to pass judgement on not only your projections of my attitudes to people, but how people in Wales might react to a website. They're not after your vote. You don't live in a constituency where you can vote for them.

I've taken the time to explain to you how the interplay between Welsh and English in official documents works in Wales. If you're not interested in that, then you'll be none the wiser. There is no party in Wales which is standing on a platform of changing how Welsh is treated in that country. It's not a partisan issue. But you can speak for "many, if not most of those" who don't speak Welsh? Alrighty, then.

Comparing the Plaid Cymru website with the SNP's, when the SNP doesn't have the same imperative to address the issue because Gaelic is even more of a minority language than Welsh, is a false comparison. Compare Plaid's site with those of the other parties standing in Wales and you'll see that the solution they've come up with is more in keeping with how the Welsh Government deals with it, and a lot more consistent than the fudges the other parties have come up with, which in some cases come across as pure lip service. That's a much more relevant comparison.

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Thanks for these, T_i_B Ghost Dog Apr 2015 #1
Some Northern Ireland links T_i_B Apr 2015 #2
"a website that acts as an effective deterrent to anyone who doesn't speak fluent Welsh" Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #3
That's even worse then the loaded questions on the front of Labour's website T_i_B Apr 2015 #4
You're seeing it from the perspective of someone who doesn't live in Wales. Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #5
You are wrong T_i_B Apr 2015 #11
"Now you may consider those people to be 'inpure' or even traitors Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #13
I actually like the leaders of these parties better than any of the mainstream Westminster ones LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #6
Though, technically, she'll stay a Holyrood leader, since she's not standing for Westminster muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #7
Sturgeon's indicated clearly that she would be negotiating for the SNP after the election. Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #8
Yes - it will be interesting to see how this plays out. LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #12
I think the SNP's strength is that it can look like the LDP, but without the massive baggage MisterP Apr 2015 #9
The fight for the "real left" with Scottish Labour is something Labour has long abandoned. Denzil_DC Apr 2015 #10
2017 General election kick T_i_B Apr 2017 #14
I think you'll know me well enough by now to know that I shy away from making electoral predictions! Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #15
Well, if you live in Scotland... T_i_B Apr 2017 #16
Linton Crosbie demonized Sturgeon and the SNP in the last UK election. Denzil_DC Apr 2017 #17
In the aftermath of the 2015 election.... T_i_B Apr 2017 #18
2019 General election kick T_i_B Oct 2019 #19
Like everywhere else in the UK, it's tough to call what may happen in this election. Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #20
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How did a 'Post removed' suddenly get on a thread that started in 2015? LeftishBrit Sep 2020 #22
Didn't see it. Denzil_DC Sep 2020 #23
Bingo. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #25
You know what kinds of posts show up on really old threads Rhiannon12866 Sep 2020 #24
You're right - I have some MIRT experience! LeftishBrit Sep 2020 #26
2024 general election kick T_i_B May 2024 #27
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